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Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:50 am**

Dantagon Marescot wrote:What could be really useful is a book in the library of common words and their translation so people can have easier ways of speaking to each other when they need help. Greetings/Gruesse would be one, along with help/hilfe. Then there can be words for certain object like coal, wood, sword, armour, as well as buy, sell, and even the different professions.

A question about the Grey Rose. If an English speaking player approached them and asked to join, would they let them? I almost had Dan join their knighthood, but was turned off when I saw it was mostly German based. Therefore he ended up with Kallahorn. I have to wonder how things would be if Dan ended up there instead of Kallahorn. Or even if he would have been accepted.

The answer to your question is no they would not. Foraker tried to join and he was turned down because he could not speak German.

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:04 pm**

Dantagon Marescot wrote:What could be really useful is a book in the library of common words and their translation so people can have easier ways of speaking to each other when they need help. Greetings/Gruesse would be one, along with help/hilfe. Then there can be words for certain object like coal, wood, sword, armour, as well as buy, sell, and even the different professions.

I guess a topic in the forum could be enough aswell.

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:13 pm**

the community of the old language had a nice link with translation on their external guild board ... which unfortunately does not work anymore

but anyway, if it is desired, I could post a translation of all common items, which would be useful for both, English and German speaking players

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:36 pm**

mm... common words as well.. perhaps? ^.^ Thanks in advance

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:34 pm**

Dantagon Marescot wrote:What could be really useful is a book in the library of common words and their translation so people can have easier ways of speaking to each other when they need help. Greetings/Gruesse would be one, along with help/hilfe. Then there can be words for certain object like coal, wood, sword, armour, as well as buy, sell, and even the different professions.

A question about the Grey Rose. If an English speaking player approached them and asked to join, would they let them? I almost had Dan join their knighthood, but was turned off when I saw it was mostly German based. Therefore he ended up with Kallahorn. I have to wonder how things would be if Dan ended up there instead of Kallahorn. Or even if he would have been accepted.

Im afraid that Richards remark after this one is wrong.

Aristeaus approaced the Grey Rose and was offered membership. And i can say i most definately am not German.

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:44 pm**

ogerawa wrote:mm... common words as well.. perhaps? ^.^ Thanks in advance

what exactly do you mean? phrases for small-talk? little conversations?

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:47 pm**

Dariya wrote:
ogerawa wrote:mm... common words as well.. perhaps? ^.^ Thanks in advance
what exactly do you mean? phrases for small-talk? little conversations?

Greetings
to sell
to buy

something like that I think

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:30 pm**

Senrin der Ältere wrote:
Dariya wrote:
ogerawa wrote:mm... common words as well.. perhaps? ^.^ Thanks in advance
what exactly do you mean? phrases for small-talk? little conversations?
Greetings
to sell
to buy

something like that I think

phrases for small-talk, mm... probably only some that's used rather often since... there are way... too many phrases in german...

little conversations, good i guess... for some kind of examples.

although what i actually meant was some simple words (at least in english) like greetings, thank you, sorry, you are welcome... mm... some common words... that you can think of that might be useful to at least understand a bit of what's going on in RP...

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:41 pm**

Allright, I tried to make some little lists:

Common Stuff: / für den alltäglichen Gebrauch

Greetings - Grüße
Farewell - Lebe wohl
Goodbye - Tschüss
Nice to meet you. - Schön dich/sie/euch zu sehen.
I am Mister X - Ich heiße / Ich bin Mister X
I am a jobname x - Ich bin ein Jobname x
Who are you? - Wer bist du / seid ihr??
How are you? - Wie geht es dir/ihnen/euch?
May/Can I help you? - Darf/Kann ich dir/ihnen/euch helfen?
Could you help me, please? - Kannst du / Könnt ihr mir vielleicht helfen?
Where can I get/buy/find X? - Wo kann ich X bekommen/kaufen/finden?
Where is person x? - Wo ist person x?
Where is place x? - Wo ist/liegt platz x?
Thank you - Habt dank / Dankeschön
You are welcome. - Gern geschehen.
I want to buy/sell X - Ich möchte X kaufen/verkaufen
I would like to buy/sell X - Ich würde gerne X kaufen/verkaufen
Yes - Ja
No - Nein
Help - Hilfe
one - eins
two - zwei
three - drei
four - vier
five - fünf
six - sechs
seven - sieben
eight - acht
nine - neun
ten - zehn
eleven - elf
twelve - zwölf
thirteen - dreizehn
fourtteen - vierzehn
twenty - zwanzig
thirty - dreissig
fourty - vierzig
----
Es gilt fast wie im Deutschen: "Zahl" + ten -> "Zahl"zehn = five+ten -> fifteen / fünfzehn
Ab zwanzig dann einfach twenty + der zahl (twenty+one -> twentyone = einundzwanzig)

Very similar to English: "Number" + zehn -> "number"ten = fünf+zehn -> fünfzehn / fifteen
From twenty up, just put the number + und + zwanzig (ein+und+zwanzig -> einundzwanzig -> twentyone)

Professions and the like: / Berufe und ähnliches:

Fighter / Warrior - Kämpfer / Krieger
Craftsman / Crafter - Handwerker
Mage - Magier
Druid - Druide
Bard - Barde
Smith - Schmied
Goldsmith - Goldschmied
Carpenter - Schreiner
Tailor - Schneider
Farmer - Bauer
Miner - Bergarbeiter
Lumberjack - Holzfäller
Cook - Koch
Brewer - Brauer
Baker - Bäcker
Merchant/Trader - Händler
Knight - Ritter
Battlemage - Kampfmagier
Glassblower - Glasbläser
Medico - Medikus
Ranger - Waldläufer
Hunter - Jäger
Dancer - Tänzer
Fisherman - Fischer

Some raw materials and the like / Einige Rohstoffe und Ähnliches

Herbs - Kräuter
wood - Holz
board/s - Brett/er
branch - Zweig
bough - Ast
iron ore - Eisenerz
copper ore - Kupfererz
coal - Kohle
gold nugget/s - Goldnugget/s
iron ingot - Eisenbarren
copper ingot - Kupferbarren
grain / crop - Getreide
flour - Mehl
dough - Teig
drink/s - Getränk/e
honeycomb - Honigwabe
quartz sand - Quarzsand
potash - Pottasche
glass - Glas
seeds - Samen
tomato/es - Tomate/n
onion/s - Zwiebel/n
carrot/s - Karotte/n
hop - Hopfen
cabbage/s - Kohlkopf / Kohlköpfe
vegetables - gemüse
fruits - Obst
banana - Banane
apple - Apfel
cherry - Kirsche
strawberry - Erdbeere
grape/s - Weintraube/n
berry / berries - Beere/n
rare leather - Rohleder
loam - Leh
leather - Leder
thread - Garn
wool - Wolle
cloth - Stoff
fur - Fell
entrails - Eingeweide
(rabbit)meat - (Hasen)Fleisch
pork - Schweinefleisch
ham - Schinken
steak - Steak
water - Wasser
wine - Wein
cider - Apfelwein / Cider
mead - Met
bear - Bier
sheep's milk - Schafsmilch
rum - Rum
(strong) healing potion - (starker) Heiltrank
food potion - Sattmacher
mana potion - Manatrank
poison - Gift
antidote - Gegengift
molotov cocktail - Molotov-Cocktail
raw gem(stone) - Rohedelstein
cut gem(stone) - Geschliffener Edelstein
emerald - Smaragd
ruby - Rubin
topaz - Topas
blackstone - Schwarzstein
bluestone - Blaustein
diamond - Diamant
amethyst - Amethyst

Tools / Werkzeuge

baking house - Backhaus
smoke oven - Räucherhütte
workbench - Werkbank
tailoring table (unsure) - Schneidertisch
forge - Esse
riddle screen - Sieb
anvil - Amboss
glass melting oven - Glasschmelzofen
millstone - Mühlstein
pickaxe - Spitzhacke
hammer - Hammer
crucible - Tiegel
mould - Gussform
scissors - Schere
needle - Nadel
flail - Dreschflegel
scythe - Sense
rolling-pin - Nudelholz
wooden spoon - Kochlöffel
woodcarving knives - Schnitzmesser
plane - Hobel
hatchet - Beil
saw - Säge
mortar - Mörser
blastpipe (for glassblowing) - Blasrohr (zum Glasblasen)
wooden scoop - Holzkelle
shovel - Schaufel

Some common Items / Einige alltägliche Gegenstände

armor - Rüstung
legs - Beinschienen
helmet - Helm
boots - Stiefel
shoes - Schuhe
gloves - Handschuhe
mantle - Mantel
robe - Robe
amulett - Amulett
ring/s - Ring/e
weapon - Waffe
sword - Schwert
bihaender - Zweihänder
shortsword - Kurzschwert
longsword - Langschwert
broadsword - Breitschwert
sabre - Säbel
dagger - dolch
spiked mace - Morgenstern
mace - Streitkolben
warhammer - Kriegshammer
spear - Speer
axe - Axt
halberd - Hellebarde
bow - Bogen
crossbow - Armbrust
arrow - Pfeil
bolt - Bolzen
staff - (Kampf-)Stab
wand (for mages) - Magierstab
chair - Stuhl
table - Tisch
counter - Ladentisch
bar - Theke
door - Türe
window - Fenster

Animals and Monsters / Tiere und Monster

pig - Schwein
rabbit - Hase
deer - Reh
spider - Spinne
fly - Fliege
wolf - Wolf
dragon - Drache
mummy - Mumie
skeleton - Skelett
daemon - Dämon
beholder - Beholder
troll - Troll
ogre - Oger
gnoll - Gnoll
goblin - Goblin
Human - Mensch
elf - Elf
orc - Ork
fairy - Fee
lizard - Echsenmensch
woman - Frau
man - Mann

Allright, that's it. I hope you can do aynthing with it. If I forgot anything, simply tell me.
Ok, das wars. Ich hoffe ihr könnt irgendwas damit anfangen. Falls ich was vergessen habe einfach sagen.

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:32 pm**

Dwarf = Zwerg
Halfling = ?

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:36 pm**

Taeryon Silverlight wrote:Allright, I tried to make some little lists:

Common Stuff: / für den alltäglichen Gebrauch
Greetings - Grüße
Farewell - Lebe wohl
Goodbye - Tschüss
Nice to meet you. - Schön dich/sie/euch zu sehen.
I am Mister X - Ich heiße / Ich bin Mister X
I am a jobname x - Ich bin ein Jobname x
Who are you? - Wer bist du / seid ihr??
How are you? - Wie geht es dir/ihnen/euch?
May/Can I help you? - Darf/Kann ich dir/ihnen/euch helfen?
Could you help me, please? - Kannst du / Könnt ihr mir vielleicht helfen?
Where can I get/buy/find X? - Wo kann ich X bekommen/kaufen/finden?
Where is person x? - Wo ist person x?
Where is place x? - Wo ist/liegt platz x?
Thank you - Habt dank / Dankeschön
You are welcome. - Gern geschehen.
I want to buy/sell X - Ich möchte X kaufen/verkaufen
I would like to buy/sell X - Ich würde gerne X kaufen/verkaufen
Yes - Ja
No - Nein
Help - Hilfe
one - eins
two - zwei
three - drei
four - vier
five - fünf
six - sechs
seven - sieben
eight - acht
nine - neun
ten - zehn
eleven - elf
twelve - zwölf
thirteen - dreizehn
fourtteen - vierzehn
twenty - zwanzig
thirty - dreissig
fourty - vierzig
----
Es gilt fast wie im Deutschen: "Zahl" + ten -> "Zahl"zehn = five+ten -> fifteen / fünfzehn
Ab zwanzig dann einfach twenty + der zahl (twenty+one -> twentyone = einundzwanzig)

Very similar to English: "Number" + zehn -> "number"ten = fünf+zehn -> fünfzehn / fifteen
From twenty up, just put the number + und + zwanzig (ein+und+zwanzig -> einundzwanzig -> twentyone)

Professions and the like: / Berufe und ähnliches:
Fighter / Warrior - Kämpfer / Krieger
Craftsman / Crafter - Handwerker
Mage - Magier
Druid - Druide
Bard - Barde
Smith - Schmied
Goldsmith - Goldschmied
Carpenter - Schreiner
Tailor - Schneider
Farmer - Bauer
Miner - Bergarbeiter
Lumberjack - Holzfäller
Cook - Koch
Brewer - Brauer
Baker - Bäcker
Merchant/Trader - Händler
Knight - Ritter
Battlemage - Kampfmagier
Glassblower - Glasbläser
Medico - Medikus
Ranger - Waldläufer
Hunter - Jäger
Dancer - Tänzer
Fisherman - Fischer

Some raw materials and the like / Einige Rohstoffe und Ähnliches
Herbs - Kräuter
wood - Holz
board/s - Brett/er
branch - Zweig
bough - Ast
iron ore - Eisenerz
copper ore - Kupfererz
coal - Kohle
gold nugget/s - Goldnugget/s
iron ingot - Eisenbarren
copper ingot - Kupferbarren
grain / crop - Getreide
flour - Mehl
dough - Teig
drink/s - Getränk/e
honeycomb - Honigwabe
quartz sand - Quarzsand
potash - Pottasche
glass - Glas
seeds - Samen
tomato/es - Tomate/n
onion/s - Zwiebel/n
carrot/s - Karotte/n
hop - Hopfen
cabbage/s - Kohlkopf / Kohlköpfe
vegetables - gemüse
fruits - Obst
banana - Banane
apple - Apfel
cherry - Kirsche
strawberry - Erdbeere
grape/s - Weintraube/n
berry / berries - Beere/n
rare leather - Rohleder
loam - Leh
leather - Leder
thread - Garn
wool - Wolle
cloth - Stoff
fur - Fell
entrails - Eingeweide
(rabbit)meat - (Hasen)Fleisch
pork - Schweinefleisch
ham - Schinken
steak - Steak
water - Wasser
wine - Wein
cider - Apfelwein / Cider
mead - Met
bear - Bier
sheep's milk - Schafsmilch
rum - Rum
(strong) healing potion - (starker) Heiltrank
food potion - Sattmacher
mana potion - Manatrank
poison - Gift
antidote - Gegengift
molotov cocktail - Molotov-Cocktail
raw gem(stone) - Rohedelstein
cut gem(stone) - Geschliffener Edelstein
emerald - Smaragd
ruby - Rubin
topaz - Topas
blackstone - Schwarzstein
bluestone - Blaustein
diamond - Diamant
amethyst - Amethyst
Tools / Werkzeuge
baking house - Backhaus
smoke oven - Räucherhütte
workbench - Werkbank
tailoring table (unsure) - Schneidertisch
forge - Esse
riddle screen - Sieb
anvil - Amboss
glass melting oven - Glasschmelzofen
millstone - Mühlstein
pickaxe - Spitzhacke
hammer - Hammer
crucible - Tiegel
mould - Gussform
scissors - Schere
needle - Nadel
flail - Dreschflegel
scythe - Sense
rolling-pin - Nudelholz
wooden spoon - Kochlöffel
woodcarving knives - Schnitzmesser
plane - Hobel
hatchet - Beil
saw - Säge
mortar - Mörser
blastpipe (for glassblowing) - Blasrohr (zum Glasblasen)
wooden scoop - Holzkelle
shovel - Schaufel
Some common Items / Einige alltägliche Gegenstände
armor - Rüstung
legs - Beinschienen
helmet - Helm
boots - Stiefel
shoes - Schuhe
gloves - Handschuhe
mantle - Mantel
robe - Robe
amulett - Amulett
ring/s - Ring/e
weapon - Waffe
sword - Schwert
bihaender - Zweihänder
shortsword - Kurzschwert
longsword - Langschwert
broadsword - Breitschwert
sabre - Säbel
dagger - dolch
spiked mace - Morgenstern
mace - Streitkolben
warhammer - Kriegshammer
spear - Speer
axe - Axt
halberd - Hellebarde
bow - Bogen
crossbow - Armbrust
arrow - Pfeil
bolt - Bolzen
staff - (Kampf-)Stab
wand (for mages) - Magierstab
chair - Stuhl
table - Tisch
counter - Ladentisch
bar - Theke
door - Türe
window - Fenster
Animals and Monsters / Tiere und Monster
pig - Schwein
rabbit - Hase
deer - Reh
spider - Spinne
fly - Fliege
wolf - Wolf
dragon - Drache
mummy - Mumie
skeleton - Skelett
daemon - Dämon
beholder - Beholder
troll - Troll
ogre - Oger
gnoll - Gnoll
goblin - Goblin
Human - Mensch
elf - Elf
orc - Ork
fairy - Fee
lizard - Echsenmensch
dwarf - Zwerg
halfling - Halbling
woman - Frau
man - Mann

Allright, that's it. I hope you can do aynthing with it. If I forgot anything, simply tell me.
Ok, das wars. Ich hoffe ihr könnt irgendwas damit anfangen. Falls ich was vergessen habe einfach sagen.

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:58 pm**

This list in no way at all helps me. I don't play this game to learn German. I play this game to rp. If thats the case, maybe the Germans should make a requirement on the front page which says "Small amount of German is needed to play this game." Because thats what it's coming to.

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:05 pm**

dantagon,

half = halb - halfling = halbling
but we understand "hobbit" as well

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edit:

julius, be happy, that there are no requirements.
what would you have done, if there had been the requirement:
"at least small amount of brain needed to play this game"?

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:16 pm**

Thanks Taeryon Silverlight,

for the work you did with that. I'm German and I often try my best to do a good RP in English. So I know it's not that easy, if you don't know the right terms... And for that, it WILL help!!

~ Talirea

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:27 pm**

Julius wrote:This list in no way at all helps me. I don't play this game to learn German. I play this game to rp. If thats the case, maybe the Germans should make a requirement on the front page which says "Small amount of German is needed to play this game." Because thats what it's coming to.

It was for those, who only speak german, too. And now stop complaining about german people who can't speak or want to speak english. You can't speak german, can you? Then don't complain if someone can't speak your language.

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:42 pm**

Im afraid that Richards remark after this one is wrong.

Aristeaus approaced the Grey Rose and was offered membership. And i can say i most definately am not German.[/quote]

That is unfair now I am gone to fight you and the whole Grey Rose!!!

DEATH to the GREY ROSE!!!!!

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:54 pm**

@Baiyan
There is something that you are missing here. You need to remember that those of us who do not speak German or English natively fall into the "English speaking" people category by default. There are some of us around, and since we do our best to play in a language that is foreign for us, I actually find the lack of effort from some of the german speaking players rather rude towards us as a part of this community. I don't care if you write really bad english, but it's the ignoring and "you can't speak my language either" attitude that quite frankly pisses me off. You got it easy. I really envy those who speak excellent english and german.

At least you can roleplay (with others) in your own language too. I tried to include MY native langue into a roleplay of a char who spoke only Finnish and German (! - which he was 'learning'), while the emotes were written in english. Needless to say, that those german people who didn't know what was going on mostly ran away when I tried to use my powergamed Ubergut deutsch fähigkeiten on them. And nobody understood what I was saying when I spoke my native language. Meh, the reactions were a bit funny though.

So please, just give it a shot when somebody asks/does something in english. Don't ignore us, we are the ones between the rock and a hard place here.

EDIT:
And I would like to add, that back in the day when the game was uberly deutsch, I managed just fine with my crappy english. There was always someone willing to translate if a german could not understand.

Unless you want to argue that the quality of english teaching in Deutschland would have somehow detoriated during these six years I've been here.. feel free to do so. I think it's just the attitudes that have experienced the detoriation, though.

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:10 am**

I don't complain about people who don't speak my native language. I'm just pissed, that I take 1 hour of my freetime to make a wanted list and then someone sais it hase no use and starts to complain about people who prefer to rp in their native language.

I'm Baiyan, btw.

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:15 am**

fuer die liste:

Bayer = bavarian

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:20 am**

Korm Kormsen wrote:fuer die liste:

Bayer = bavarian

erm?

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:34 am**

No

I didn't complain. I never do. I just simply said that the list does not help me. It shouldn't bother you that I said that unless you made the list just for me. From what I can tell, I'm pretty sure it's for everyone.

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:39 am**

complain: express complaints, discontent, displeasure, or unhappiness

You did express displeasure or unhappiness :)

EDIT:

displeasure: the feeling of being displeased or annoyed or dissatisfied with someone or something

unhappiness: state characterized by emotions ranging from mild discontentment to deep grief

You were displeased or dissatisfied.

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:40 am**

I as a smith would find a official list especially of the Armor parts
very useful. I judge my english to be quite ok, but if I see the
name of the helmets in german with very similar names I often
have problems to get the exact translation for a name part

e. g. cap, helmet, hat etc.

One mistaken word lead to a name of another product. I suppose
this is in other crafting professions the same problem.

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:40 am**

Define displeasure and unhappiness.

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:40 am**

Thorin Solfgar wrote:I as a smith would find a official list especially of the Armor parts
very useful. I judge my english to be quite ok, but if I see the
name of the helmets in german with very similar names I often
have problems to get the exact translation for a name part

e. g. cap, helmet, hat etc.

One mistaken word lead to a name of another product. I suppose
this is in other crafting professions the same problem.

If you send me a list with all armors, weapons, etc. you can make, I'll translate it.

Edit: Every crafter can do that, of course.

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:07 am**

Taeryon Silverlight wrote: If you send me a list with all armors, weapons, etc. you can make, I'll translate it.

Edit: Every crafter can do that, of course.

The problem is not to translate it somehow, but to know the exact
name the other language-player sees, when he look into the production
scrolls or clicking on an item to see the description of it.

Every quick-knitted translation improves to odds to create more
misunderstandings. So I would like a list of term really used in the game,
or better a bilingual description in the client.

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:17 am**

I know what you mean. I will get the exact translations.

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:18 am**

What I don't like about Illarion is the music constantly playing in the background .__.

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:18 am**

BOOM!Headshot. wrote:What I don't like about Illarion is the music constantly playing in the background .__.

wtf? There is music in the background? O.O

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:31 am**

BOOM!Headshot. wrote:What I don't like about Illarion is the music constantly playing in the background .__.

Before you log in, click on options and turn off back ground music. Voila! Your problem is solved.