Decline of Illarion

Pellandria · Post by **Pellandria** » Thu May 31, 2007 9:36 pm

Juniper Onyx wrote: Just shows how Players tend to mix OOC and IG events (aka Pellandria)

If I have the feeling that your Char is powergaming and I kinda have the feeling that the poor little merchant who attacks me out of nowhere and strikes my char down that quieckly, then I don't mix up ig and ooc, it more looked like you mix it up, because you seemed to look for a reason to attack me..

Juniper Onyx · Post by **Juniper Onyx** » Thu May 31, 2007 10:14 pm

Pellandria wrote:
Juniper Onyx wrote: Just shows how Players tend to mix OOC and IG events (aka Pellandria)
If I have the feeling that your Char is powergaming and I kinda have the feeling that the poor little merchant who attacks me out of nowhere and strikes my char down that quieckly, then I don't mix up ig and ooc, it more looked like you mix it up, because you seemed to look for a reason to attack me..

Actually, Pellandria, I will refrain from pointing out the obvious weaknesses of your character as the point of this discussion is about the Game, not you or me.

Anyways, you won't have to worry about that 'little merchant' anymore. He's dead now (Deleted). Be satisfied in your own smugness elsewhere and keep to the topics please.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu May 31, 2007 10:31 pm

There is a solution : Increase the understanding of roleplaying in the majority of players. And in your case, juniper : Learning german...

Well, perhaps we need some type of Disclaimer again, like we once had, or a series of "hints/tips" that show up when loading that give hints about RP and what the game really is about : not expecting to BE entertained, but entertaining others too, actively.

xBaurusx · Post by **xBaurusx** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:55 am

Illarion has been declining for a while. Ever since we took out the newb defence where you atualy had to be accepted. I left because rp was lost.

Unless you can somehow attract massive amounts of roleplayers or change the style of the game to......attract massive amounts of roleplayers. otherwise Illarion is dead. IMHO i think illarion is already dead.

Signed,
Mr Negative

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:57 am

Illarion is declining.

nah yo chill with that

Alytys Lamar · Post by **Alytys Lamar** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:22 am

xBaurusx wrote:Illarion has been declining for a while. Ever since we took out the newb defence where you atualy had to be accepted. I left because rp was lost.

Unless you can somehow attract massive amounts of roleplayers or change the style of the game to......attract massive amounts of roleplayers. otherwise Illarion is dead. IMHO i think illarion is already dead.

Signed,
Mr Negative

You're indeed Mr. Negative Hun.

... and you have not a clue what's going on... To be honest, I like you dear.. but this post was the absolutely senseless post I ever read...
neither helpful or creative

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Pellandria · Post by **Pellandria** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:30 am

I don't know, all the people, who pretend that Illa is death and the older ones know that there is always someone who says that Illa is death, are either powergamer(just remember the once that bitched about the big drought in the past) or the ones, who actually don't play, when you don't play the game, please stay away from the forum, because you have no, absolutly no clue what is going on ig.

Magdha Tiefenerz · Post by **Magdha Tiefenerz** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:46 am

Pellandria wrote:I don't know, all the people, who pretend that Illa is death and the older ones know that there is always someone who says that Illa is death, are either powergamer(just remember the once that bitched about the big drought in the past) or the ones, who actually don't play, when you don't play the game, please stay away from the forum, because you have no, absolutly no clue what is going on ig.

Well, and you know? You think it is that simple? Categorising people and be done with it? Don't you think that people have a reason if they feel that Illa is dead? But instead of trying to understand why they feel that way you put them into drawers like "powergamers", etc. Well, that's easy I guess.

Pellandria · Post by **Pellandria** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:00 pm

You have no clue what I just said do you, I'm sure you were online in the last time or, did Illa feel death in any way, no, and seriously you werent there, when the big drought came, this was an awesome quest and people bitched about it because they couldn't craft, I mean wth this is no "who has the most ressources game", so please if you don't know what I'm talking about, stop posting, I'm surely not someone who things in drawers, but its obviously always these two groups, which think Illa is death, surely I understand them, crafting whole day is boring, then I would say go search someone and rp a bit.
Too say that all germans just play on german is simply wrong, many change to english, when a english player comes along, except when they can't speak it or the rp is too "deep" to just switch it to english.
Next time magdha do something better then that and try to understand me and the points I jsut spoken, instead of needless criticism, if you have a better way to think or understand them, present them here and now and be actually usefull for the discussion.

Galdriel · Post by **Galdriel** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:09 pm

Would you please cool down a bit, all of you?

As a matter of fact Illarion is for sure more interesting at certain times,
due to the fact who and how many people are playing.

Magdha Tiefenerz · Post by **Magdha Tiefenerz** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:31 pm

Pellandria wrote:I'm surely not someone who things in drawers, but its obviously always these two groups, which think Illa is death

Well, with that statement you have just proven yourself wrong. There are not always two groups. There are a lot of individuals here.

Pellandria wrote:Next time magdha do something better then that and try to understand me and the points I jsut spoken, instead of needless criticism, if you have a better way to think or understand them, present them here and now and be actually usefull for the discussion.

Well, it seems that you have not read what I have written or else you wouldn't have posted that comment. But I can state my point more clearly. I say, instead of accusing people of powergaming, etc, talk to them why they feel that Illa is dead (btw. it is "dead" not "death"). This is no needless criticism but an observation and a suggestion how to improve the communication. But all I get from you is an attack. But it is all people get from you when they are not of your opinion or say something that you don't like. I wouldn't be surprised if Phinegeniaa was your character.
But you are right, I have now right to post here anymore because I left the game. As for the reason I guess nobody is interested in that.

Dariya · Post by **Dariya** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:34 pm

posts like these won't lead nowhere ... so

Magdha Tiefenerz · Post by **Magdha Tiefenerz** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:41 pm

Hello!

Thanks Dariya!

That is really needed for the players who feel Illa is dead.
But I still say: Listen to people who feel that there is something wrong. Maybe it is really just them but there might be some truth in what they are saying. If it is just them then you can help them quite easily I guess.

With kind regards

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:19 pm

Magdha Tiefenerz wrote:If it is just them then you can help them quite easily I guess.

That would require a state where everybody is happy with a certain situation at a set time.
Something like this is impossible.

For some people Illarion is dead.
For some people Illarion is flourishing.

You'll have to get along with each other.

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:50 pm

For some people Illarion is dead.
For some people Illarion is flourishing.

i think, that said it all.

Post by **Vilarion** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:37 pm

Honestly, I have not read most of this senseless and mostly mindless talk.

Developers of this game have two possible attitudes:

1. Work for Illarion because they like the game, because they want to improve it. Since they do not want to get demotivated, they must not care about players, because players always complain. These would be sad if the game was dead and maybe seek another project.

2. Work for Illarion because they are challenged by technical problems. Then they will most likely not care about players anyway. These would not care if there is one player online or a thousand.

So all in all being a dev makes it hardly possible to care about players. It is really strange that there are still devs around, maybe over time most of them either quit or came to belong to category 2.

Anyway, I for myself will go back to coding some server functions to provide some means to script pack animals...because that contains some interesting problems...and because I like the game.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:42 pm

YAY for pack animals !

(Pack Bunnies could be nice for fairies *ggg*)

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:44 pm

just being curious:

will that be some kind of walking bag, tecnically?

and a suggestion:

instead of packanimals make packhumans - NPCs
(to evade the necessity for a new graphic)

Siltaris · Post by **Siltaris** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:48 pm

instead of packanimals make packhumans

I have heard that barbarians from the north are good carriers. Take them

Yay to Vilarion!

Elian · Post by **Elian** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:17 pm

The Silver Sword might get some more contracts soon, then ;)

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:57 pm

I have heard that barbarians from the north are good carriers. Take them

then the alchemists have to develope some fake female scent.

so that the barbarians can be steered...

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:47 pm

A fish or a raw steak on a pole also does the trick.

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:12 pm

do you longear really believe, that we can't smell the difference?

Tanistian_Kanea · Post by **Tanistian_Kanea** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:49 pm

wow...
illarion discription. game that is real role playing where you could go your entire time and never have to fight.
gets boring cause of no fights
your solution, more war. in war i remember EVERYONE had to be able to fight, or quite simply they basically died.
i left because of all the war.
i came because of never have to fight
so before you post something like this ask yourselves, what am i doing to help the game. perhaps role play properly. good example of this, whoever heard of BARBARIANS being CIVILIZED enough to form treaties and the like. these guys are constantly fighting amoungst themselves and when they stop fighting amoungst themselves they are fighting with someone else trying to get whatever they have by force. now as for posts like this. they waist time and are like villarion said. mindless talk. these are complete crap and should be kept off the boards as all they do is waist time. if you want to talk about crap and how bad something is and all that then make a post on the off topic section called complainers thread (there was one but can't find it now, i'll make new) post there so we don't have to listen to it. if you want more quests then simply PROPOSE more quests in the section labled PROPOSALS. enough of this complaining.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:08 pm

@Tanistian : If you had read the race descriptions of the humans close enough, you would possibly have found nothing about Norodaj barbarians often fighting each other or being completely uncivilized grunts.

Anyhow, if more people RPed and reminded that RP actually is about storytelling and entertaining others - instead of logging in and expecting to be entertained, and just skill or fight when there is no quest or event - illarion would get back a lot of its former atmosphere.
We don't play for ourselves, but for each other. Just keep that in mind.

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:09 pm

whoever heard of BARBARIANS being CIVILIZED enough to form treaties and the like. these guys are constantly fighting amoungst themselves and when they stop fighting amoungst themselves they are fighting with someone else trying to get whatever they have by force.

i disagree.
any group, that would be constantly fighting amongst themselves would cease to exist.

Dariya · Post by **Dariya** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:00 am

Tanistian_Kanea wrote:wow...
illarion discription. game that is real role playing where you could go your entire time and never have to fight.

one of my chars does not fight at all and I get along with that quite fine ... for about a year now ...

gets boring cause of no fights

depends ... doesn't have to get boring, only if you LET it bore you

... so before you post something like this ask yourselves, what am i doing to help the game. perhaps role play properly. good example of this, whoever heard of BARBARIANS being CIVILIZED enough to form treaties and the like. these guys are constantly fighting amoungst themselves and when they stop fighting amoungst themselves they are fighting with someone else trying to get whatever they have by force. now as for posts like this. they waist time and are like villarion said. mindless talk. these are complete crap and should be kept off the boards as all they do is waist time. if you want to talk about crap and how bad something is and all that then make a post on the off topic section called complainers thread (there was one but can't find it now, i'll make new) post there so we don't have to listen to it. if you want more quests then simply PROPOSE more quests in the section labled PROPOSALS. enough of this complaining.

erm, excuse me, you stumbled out of bed with the wrong leg first ?! ...
those BARBARIANS you are talking about where CIVILZED enough to get together with ... I guess 5 or 6 chars ... to gather within some weeks enough material to build up the Northmark ... and let me add, without "powergaming" !
They are loyal enough to fight for each other, as soon as they built up clans.
... and please don't mix REAL LIFE medieval barbarians with moonsilver barbarian description.
Otherwise I would have to complain about crafting fairies !!! ( ... being able to carry leather armour or leather legs ... )

... and should be kept off the boards ...

oh sure, little sophisticated fairy, excuse that US, the stupid POs playing those brainless BARBARIANS, dare to raise our voices ...

maybe we should get back to topic ?!

I don't really like to admit it, but I agree with Damien here

it's more about entertaining others than being entertained yourself
But .... it always depends on the mood, on the day. So, if I don't really feel like ... "entertaining" ... I prefer staying away from illa, otherwise I know, I won't be satisfied with the rp I do or experience.

... which brings me back to PO Dusty, initiator of this discussion, and all those who complain about decreasing quality of rp:
how about spending the one or the other day with your familes, friends, stay away from illa, stay away from your chars. Don't play each and every day, you surely will get bored sooner or later.
Rather play if you REALLY feel like playing, rping, acting, feel like giving your best. ... only then you feel like you received the best, cause you simply rped with a more positive attitude

so please, stop once and for all trying to tell us that rp decreases, illa sucks, quality of rp lowers ... it depends on YOU.

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:59 am

Well, I havn't read every single post, but I have to agree that there, for english speakers in european timezones, it's deffinetly harder to find someone to rp with, all the time people seem to walk by, saying not a thing, or just "Grube" then walking on not even leaving a second's time, or walking on when noticing you don't speak much german.

I have lately, had less time to play, and whenever I just decided to walk around and find someone to rp with, I tend to find noone, exept for maybe sometimes in Greenbriar, but most of my char's don't really go there.

But there are also some damn good roleplayers around, sure, some don't rp for shit, or just ignore you(Often enough even when they're rping in english, thus know the language), rping with their own little group, or whatever, and it annoys the crap out of me, and I'd love to see that attitude change, and Illarion is in a little dump right now, but I'll stick around, hoping for it to change, because if everyone who enjoys to RP more than anything left, there is even less chance it'll get better soon.

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:12 am

funny thing, i often enough experienced the same thing, just with swiched languages.
entering the tavern, F4-ing my greetings in two languages, my chars seem to become transparent.

but, is that a sign, that illarion is declining? - for me not. snobby circles of friends are something natural.

if they don't want to play with you, ok. let them, it's their loss.

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:46 am

Korm Kormsen wrote:funny thing, i often enough experienced the same thing, just with swiched languages.
entering the tavern, F4-ing my greetings in two languages, my chars seem to become transparent.

but, is that a sign, that illarion is declining? - for me not. snobby circles of friends are something natural.

if they don't want to play with you, ok. let them, it's their loss.

No, it's not really, but it's damn annoying, and it's not how I remember Illarion. I think the thing we lost is the real sense of a community, everyone playing with everyone(Though that was never truely the case I think, it used to be much less in the past to my remembrance.)