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Retlak for Governor!

How about not?
~Dhaeraow

Which brings up a new point. What would happen if stephen is not in power anymore?


~Brer Beothach~

Then a new, legit government would be enstated.
~Dhaeraow

Retlak cares more about the town than most peoples posting agaisnt Stephen by the way.
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Fourth Knight Arameh of Kallahorn

Oddly enough, so far the only people whom dislike me are Dheavraow (a former bandit I have cut down several times), Cain Freemont (who strangely I have never met in my life and likely never will) and Devrah who was erased from the town guard because whenever the town needed her she was not there.
Let active citizens speak their minds.
Prince Jierdan, Brer, Fooser, Arameh and all you others, it makes me feel a lot better to know you all support me.

Stephen Rothman

nice try there Fooser. i know it must be troublesome to work so hard to think of your clever banter and all. i'll give you ten points today. you should probably stick to egg laying rather then politics i fear your much less suited to the latter. with love

Ath

the Elf laughs again

Cut down several times? I can only remember one time that you have ever actually fought me you boisterous bastard.

~Dhaeraow

An innocent looking girl in her early twenties pins up a reply.

I would just like to say that a few of you are making yourselves look like immature children, and I'm not meaning to offend in any way. I just think its hard to take some of the opinions here seriously when there is petty insults being slung back and forth with only the intent to belittle someone else's worth or opinion. Now I don't know much about politics, but I am a citizen of Trolls Bane and I think from what I've seen mister Stephen is doing a good job. I wouldn't want to see him thrown out because of his past. Everyone deserves a second chance, and he seems to be showing that he's up to the challenge. Maybe if some of you give him a little more of a chance you'll see that he isn't so bad? Or at least, to those of you that it concerns, try and act a little more like mature adults? I know not everyone can get along, but at least we can be civil about it, can't we?

With much respect,
Jeanette

Lance Thunnigan wrote:the Elf laughs again

Cut down several times? I can only remember one time that you have ever actually fought me you boisterous bastard.

~Dhaeraow

I see why one person wants Stephen removed yet, thats good.
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Fourth Knight Arameh of Kallahorn

alright enough fun for me, frankly why don't you just let the citizens have an actual election? it's the chance they didn't get to have since after all people proclaimed themselves this or that or merely took over trollsbane. and by election i don't mean a quick tally of people who could care less one moment to the next but perhaps an actual chance for people to get to meet candidates and such over a period of however many days. the candidtates for election will be responsible for there own publicity of course. so at the end of the election if said person wasn't voted for at all then it was obvisously a lack on there part.

Ath

Why doesnt Silverbrand and Varshikar have an election as well?

maybe we will maybe we won't who knows. was there some point to that Fooser? unless you saying that any group thats wants to can merely seize power as they please. no election or public opinion required.

Ath

silverbrand and Varshikar bof habs kings...nub one elects kings. Also Silverbrand and Varshikar aint da ones habin problems.


Gabon

Garett Gwenour wrote:Oddly enough, so far the only people whom dislike me are Dheavraow (a former bandit I have cut down several times), Cain Freemont (who strangely I have never met in my life and likely never will) and Devrah who was erased from the town guard because whenever the town needed her she was not there.
Let active citizens speak their minds.
Prince Jierdan, Brer, Fooser, Arameh and all you others, it makes me feel a lot better to know you all support me.

Stephen Rothman

The active citizens are speaking their minds. They are too afraid of losing their hometown for putting their name on this list. I think that a real election would be a great idea, if we had more than two candidates. Perhaps a list of those who are seriously interested in (and doing good for) the city should put their names on a parchment. We could go from there.


Cain Freemont

If you have this proof that these unsigned are citizens, bring it forward.


~Brer Beothach~

Allen looks at the topic in aww, of how it has grown since he last saw it

Athian, your on the right track, but you aren't even a citizen.

from the pages and pages of complaints Ive been reading, I still haven't seen one valid point. I think it was Athian who said, "they don't need points, theres more of us than you! thats a point!" sadly no, it's not. what I want, from all you criminals and bandits, is one, just one flaw from Stephen's work here. on top of that, I'll bet you 100 coppers that there is more for Stephen than there is against him.

you all plan on over thorwing the government, right? this isn't the way to do it.

1. find someone that is suitable for the job, someone unlike Retlak, someone you all trust to do well

2. the hardest part of this, you'll have to find something wrong wiith Stephen, and how he is hurting the town, which you haven't proven even the slightest bit so far

3. explain why your new governor can fix his problems, and how he is better than Stephen. prove to the town that, Stephen isn't doing it right, and this new Governor can.

that, is a quick plan on how this should go about, not a bunch of rubbish like this.

I am fine with Stephen with governor, and I doubt you could get that plan checked off.

and please, if you want to take him down, sign your names! how would we even no that this isn't some moron making a bunch of fake posts with his three buddies?

~Allen~

Poots wrote: Allen looks at the topic in aww, of how it has grown since he last saw it

Athian, your on the right track, but you aren't even a citizen.

from the pages and pages of complaints Ive been reading, I still haven't seen one valid point. I think it was Athian who said, "they don't need points, theres more of us than you! thats a point!" sadly no, it's not. what I want, from all you criminals and bandits, is one, just one flaw from Stephen's work here. on top of that, I'll bet you 100 coppers that there is more for Stephen than there is against him.

you all plan on over thorwing the government, right? this isn't the way to do it.

1. find someone that is suitable for the job, someone unlike Retlak, someone you all trust to do well

2. the hardest part of this, you'll have to find something wrong wiith Stephen, and how he is hurting the town, which you haven't proven even the slightest bit so far

3. explain why your new governor can fix his problems, and how he is better than Stephen. prove to the town that, Stephen isn't doing it right, and this new Governor can.

that, is a quick plan on how this should go about, not a bunch of rubbish like this.

I am fine with Stephen with governor, and I doubt you could get that plan checked off.

and please, if you want to take him down, sign your names! how would we even no that this isn't some moron making a bunch of fake posts with his three buddies?

~Allen~

Allen is totally right.

I support a government, and currently the government of Stephen Rothman, Brer Beothach, and Fooser has served well. I would be distressed to witness this current government destroyed for one that would be more popular, but less efficient.

Although I do agree the current government was not appointed, I fail to see how that past even has any bearing on the future of Trollsbane. I also fail to see how past legitimacy damages future efficiency. Certainly, it deprives one of the ability to assign titles of nobility to their friends, but is that such a price to pay?

Further, I, as a citizen, have found my words to be recieved by the government, rather than brushed off. Although I do not hold an office that I've been elected to, I can participate in the governing of Trollsbane.

Rather than attempting to seize the government through an election, I would suggest to those interested in governing, rather than holding a title, speak with the current government. There is absolutely no need to be 'mayor' or 'chancellor' to engage in the governing of Trollsbane. Rather than seeking an election, which harms Trollsbane if anything, work for the changes you would see enacted by a different elected government.

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-Orren Padick

mmh i've been quoted for something i didn't say. anyway

trollsbane is different from all other towns in the fact thatis a medium to more the trade and commerce on the isle. in this fact many outside parties become concerned with it's ongoings because it will in turn effect everyone. trollsbane boasts very little housing in this same repsect because it's more a place of trade then a place of dwellings.

secondly no matter how good a governer Stephen might be the fact is that he took over Trollsbane. if you trace back the events of the past up to the current standing it's fairly easy to see the escalation of events to the current point. fact is just because your a friendly dictator doens't make you less a dictator. and its because of this point that people are of unrest. they weren't given a choice to say yes or no. regardles of weather hes a good leader or not so long as this fact remains true people will question his ability. thats why i suggest the vote be held. but as said i'm not a citizen or trollsbane. so not my call.

Athian Corulas

Yes there is a point Athian, perhaps you should be preaching your democracy message elsewhere rather than holding a double standard. Not only that, but we are more democratic than any past groups, many of which Varshikar actively supported.


F

Indeed, as well dictators hardly allow voting rights.

The mysterious post above Athians, I would like to state this. You are a voice of reason in this debate.


~Brer Beothach~

to allow voting on everything but the position of leadership would still be considered dictatorship, though guised.

Ath

mmh i've been quoted for something i didn't say.

I think it was Athian

Allen moves the two posts closer together until it's obvious they're ment to be compared.

who said it doesn't matter, one of you rebles did, I didn't quote you.

Once again, stephen does not have absolute power.

~Brer Beothach~

i personally have nothign against Stephen i could care less who leads currently but whats written is my opinion on the matter. thats all

Athian

Lance Thunnigan wrote:Then a new, legit government would be enstated.
~Dhaeraow

One that is VOTED.
Stephen just decided to become Govenor.
Where is the logic in that?

Signed,
Scipio.

A orc is seen laughing by the town board but nobody attempts to go near him.

Stephen is just a manwhore dat meh will kill or his slut girlfriend Meriel. Think meh still citizen so i saying go lay in a whole and choke on your own shit!

Karguk Inkathurg

Karguk i will have your tongue for that one.

Stephen
*below is a rather long cut and a handprint of blood*

I used to look up to yoo but now all yoo duh is sit on your ass. Meh help you countless times and then you ban me for something i didn't do! Just like with the suspension from guard! I didn't do it!

Karguk Inkathurg

Stephen, those are the type of comments that make people wonder when they sign their messages, please keep patience.

F