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this discussion is a lost cause, its obvious you are very adamant on your opinions regardless of wether they are true or not, so I give up, think as you wish, if you want send a complaint to the person in charge of that.

Sure it is when you have no more arguments, i still have plenty whatever youll say.

And My orc has trained as a warrior for a good 3 months now, and he's good now. 3 weeks as a mage is nothing, and yet you are very good.

You used the fighting skills for 3 months. My character, whom is no danger to anyone, 'practiced' for 3 months before he could even use the skill.

Samantha and Athian are not representative of the magical wielding population. They were given all the runes to help introduce the system into the game. Normal mage characters do not have the runes, and will not recieve a good number of them for a long while.

I ahve [sic] lot of magic defense and i get pwned by the flames of a warlock

If mages haven't had enough time to feasibly train their skills, how did you get in enough fights with them to gain lots of magic defense?

okay, i broke my own word on myself, you do NOT have that many arguements, you keep repeating the same "fire will take 3/4 of your health" "mages can protect themselves against warriors" and "warriors have more skills to give stats to" arguements, over and over. Just stop whining! Magic is fine as it is!

How could you train magic for 3 months, it dosent make 2 months since its implemented, and i am training my character since 7 months, maybe 8. As Samantha and Athian, they maybe only 2 that gets overpowerd armors and runes, but they are 2 ver important characters that will soon be able to take on 3 fighters one handed.

And the fires of hell shoot up from the center of the earth, engulfing the world in a raging torrent of chaos and death. The first to be taken by armageddon, Illarion's forums.

Azuros wrote:okay, i broke my own word on myself, you do NOT have that many arguements, you keep repeating the same "fire will take 3/4 of your health" "mages can protect themselves against warriors" and "warriors have more skills to give stats to" arguements, over and over. Just stop whining! Magic is fine as it is!

Im reapeat the same counter-arguments when you guys repeats the same arguments, and all you said was illogic.

If you want to make the game realistic, and make the flames kills instantly, than make that hitting someone with a sword kills instantly as well, simple as that.

Thing is mages dont have to move...Mages range is much further...Playing a worrior i must say that magic is very hard to come up against, like many said Gabon has uber fighting attribs which screws him in defence against magic, im not complaining because i know that if a worrior catches a Mage the mage is doomed...IF the worrior can catch the mage. I dont have any sugestions for making it better because i do not play a mage, some day i might but for now i dont so i know nothing about the runes and all that good stuff but Gabon didnt get powerful over night...I have been playing on Gabon since the char wipe...Gabon's fighting came over a long time of training and working at it and i tried my hardest to Rp the best i could...I must say that if a worrior can be taken down in three spells (sometimes more or less) and the mage is not accomplished then magic is rather over powering...Athain for example, Gabon and Athain help eachother...Athain casts spells and Gabon tries to resist them (in theory of course)...recently Athain became to strong to even use his weakest spell on Gabon in fear he would kill Gabon...PLEASE ATHAIN TAKE NO OFFENCE FROM THIS...but Magic just came out.

Gabon has only encountered magic in a negative way once and it was used by a GM...not sure which GM this was but they beat Gabon in one hit. If players can eventually have this kind of skill then the whole island will be Mages because Worriors will have no chance...I have seen some of the spells that can compleatly surroud the mage...it it to my knolage that a mage cannot cast behind their back so if they can cover themselves from all sides with a very powerful flame or what ever else is there worriors will really stand no chance.

Only thing i can sugest is have some way worriors can defend themselves from things with out PGing magic resistance. Have some kind of armor or shield or something that can help the worrior in some way.

only in RL, you dont always instantly die unless you get hit in the head, heart or other important organ. flames do not kill instantly in RL nor in the game, in RL you might die, or you might leave scarred for life

edit: and please stop the double post, you can always edit

http://halik.ha.funpic.de/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4
Read the post date. It's a post in the magic academy forums, when magic teaching begun.

I suppose I have to backpeddle a bit as well, and give up a little ground. I don't think the player community has enough information to decide if mages are overpowered or not.

Nothing I wrote was illogical. Nor Azuros, nor Samantha, and so on.
How would you know? I am not even convinced you wrote, otherwise you'd take a moment to think about what was said instead of misquoting and putting your own spin on things that had no reason to be taken in the way you portray them.
You are the only one repeating the exact same things over and over. I am through with this thread until there is some faint glimmer of hope that shows you actually looked at what's been written and thought of your own words and arguments before you type them out.

Edit: Props to Gabon for formulating a logical, well-written post that instead of bitching offers a way to fix the "problem" that warriors have with mages.

I have read the whole forum, and i see you havent. I have answered EVERY arguments you all said, with logical things. Most of what i said didnt even get read. And i have no solutions about the problems until you all understand that magic is overpowered, this is the reason i wrote 6 pages of arguments. It dosent even concern me yet, so dont tell me im doing it for myself.

...Athain for example, Gabon and Athain help eachother...Athain casts spells and Gabon tries to resist them (in theory of course)...recently Athain became to strong to even use his weakest spell on Gabon in fear he would kill Gabon...PLEASE ATHAIN TAKE NO OFFENCE FROM THIS...but Magic just came out.

If you really did that ingame it was powergaming and against the gamerules, you both would have broke them.


A mage is powerful, but not everyone will be a mage. And soon we will have a much better range weapon system, than every mage will be an easy target for a good archer. a few arrows and the mage will be dead, and the archer wouldn't need to go to him. Think about that.

Or will be archery than too overpowered because an archer can kill you from far away AND wear strong armor so that you don'T hurt him much once you catch him?

Whats the thing with the "not everyone will be a mage", i understand that, but the ones that will be will be even more overpowered, thus warriors will have to kneels and looks weak and all. Even if there is 1 mage, if magic is overpowered, it can cnange the whole game.

Just out of curiousity, are the rune holders given rules about teaching. IE no discrimination or are you free to do such.

Just curious.

Your powergamed warrior wont be able to kill everyone he wants, waaah.

They are mages! Start to understand that! Mages ARE strong, powerful creatures of mysterious and what else. Thats roleplay! Don't start whining every time you can't kill something or comming it by with walking to it and click strg-click.

Start roleplaying! And stop whining just about the simple fact that you are not as powerful anymore with your warrior. Your only problem her eis that you are not so powerful anymore with your warrior. hello? Roleplaying game! Illarion is about anything else than skills and killing others!

*sighs*

Amen to That! thank you Samantha!

if thats not biteing heads off i dont know what is...for the first thing...Athain and i Rped every second of that "Powergaming" i am sure you are one that i have seen standing outside the gates doing nothing but casting with not as much as one #me...second archery is not out so i cannot argue about any of that, fact is were not talking about later, were talking about right now...were talking mage and worrior and how a mage has the advantage..when archery comes out it might all turn out to be ballanced i do not know because i know nothing about that eather.

Arameh is not powergamed, and LOT of warriors beats me. I am roleplaying much more than a PGing mage that says thast magic isnt overpowered to be able to kill everything like you think i want to do. Now who is killing what he wants? You, dont tell me i am.

Mages ARE strong, powerful creatures of mysterious and what else

No, up to what i have seen they are PGer that wants to control everything with their overpowered magic, and that since they have no more arguments are attacking me personally.

What did the mage you see want control of? They defended themself from an attack.

topic is useless, he wont change his mind. can we please lock this now?

Fooser wrote:What did the mage you see want control of? They defended themself from an attack.

Im not just talking of today . Im talking that we cant defy mages. Ok, EXAMPLE THAT HAPPENED: Arameh and Stephen are at the wall, gort come off, he is banned. Gabon comes out, and supports him. So me and Stephen would have been agaisnt gabon and gort, BUT!. Athian come off and decides he will blown us off if there is a fight, so if we fight we are dead. THATS what i meant by they want to control.

I think the accuracy variable needs to be implemented with magic, simply because of the fact a mage who can't see past their own hand could NOT hit something at range with accuracy and especially if their hand-eye coordination is non existant (dex). Fighting penalizes stacking generally by giving them low accuracy rate and bad defense. By allowing mages to stack their chars to unreachable attributes, without any penalties, its suicide to even look at one the wrong way.

This also brings into play archers to balance mages if the mages are wearing clothing. Because, archery will be much stronger ,and if you can sneak attack a mage, without having to be point blank, you could probobly do as much damage as a double axe with your easily obtainable ranged weapons from range. Not to mention archers have no armor restrictions. Thus completing the cycle of balance.
Archer>Mage
Mage>Warrior
Warrior>Archer

@Arameh: Be smarter than the mage then. That is totally an ingame issue.

Ara heres the thing...Athain and Gabon are both good friends and members/high position holders in Varshikar. It was RP and i really sugest you dont bring something like that out into OOC because you do not know what me and Athain might have been talking about before you and Stephen even saw us.

Not all mages have maxed stats for magic. Those who do are weak in physical stats making them vulnerable to physical attacks.
Armour affects magic so mages tend to only wear light armour making them vulnerable to physical attacks.
There are fewer mages than fighters.
Magic resistance is implemented.
Casting magic can be quite slow as you get a short delay after casting.
Casting makes you hungry very quickly.
Mana regenerates very slowly and is used up very quickly by the more powerful spells.
Targeting spells can be slow and tricky without a wand. Using a wand means you cannot use a weapon.
A maxed warrior can kill in 2 or 3 hits. A maxed mage can kill in 2 or 3 spells.
And dont give me any crap about PG'ing. Mages now are just doing what fighters did in the beginning (and continue to do now), training their skills. At low levels you hit the cap very quickly and it takes a long time to raise the skills. Longer than for fighting. Which also means skill loss upon being killed will hurt a mage more.
Mages have had to put up with the fighters calling the shots for so long because they couldnt hope to compete and they havent whined about it.
Now fighters dont have everything their own way they dont like it.
Maybe you need different tactics to take on a mage than a fighter.
And if facing a powerful mage makes you scared....good. Thats the way it should be.
This game is supposed to be about having fun playing...win or lose...who cares as long as its fun in the process. But this kind of bullshit takes all the fun out of the game.
Now you know how we have all felt for so long. Stop whining just because your uber fighters have met their match.

Read a few pages of this and I see a repeating trend so I shall throw in my two cents. Stephen can kill a mage on his own. He of course has to rush the mage and I give a very quick *lunges forward* #me and begin to attack. But mages are not almighty beings, once under attack I am pretty sure their spells weaken considerably and if you hit them 3 times as Dji said earlier they are dead.
Perhaps magic is easy to learn, but there are so many spells to learn and Samantha is only good at a handful of them and the character has tons more to learn and has tons more to get better at. Fighting is a very skill and basic skill to learn. Anyone can learn it, there is no difficulty getting started. Being a mage at least is by far more difficult. There are really only a few mages we fear, Athian and Samantha. The other ones are no where near as powerful and as such we cannot say they are so overpowered. And it is certainly not like they throw their wieght around, only Athian (but he is athian), and so they are not so bad.

hey, im just curious, is learning ancient still required to use magic?

either way, its a good thing i learned before the academy went down.