Ein offener Brief an die GMs / An open letter to the GMs

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:32 pm

No simply because some players may become upset at the fact that the genral concenus is that they have been badly roleplaying and are about to be banned, so they start harrassing the members, and threatening them, I shouldn't even have told you I was part of this board, incase I recive threats from concerned players.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:33 pm

To see what you are deciding...I don't want a group of select people trying fix the game, and they might ruin it. I want to see their decisions.

No doubt it IMO it is ruined right now,but it could get worst.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:35 pm

To see what you are deciding...I don't want a group of select people trying fix the game, and they might ruin it. I want to see their decisions.

Then you are saying yo uwant to abolish GMs? they are a group of players too, you know...

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:36 pm

Right now, my character would not be very active on the rp board, and if you read my previous posts, you would also know why I have not been ingame recently. Besides, I'd prefer a Halfling character right now. It's far more relaxed. And I'd be playing my Halfling character right now, if I didn't have problems during creation.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:37 pm

Not really, but thtis almost seems like recruiting 14 new gm's.

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:38 pm

IMO Nartak has almost destoyed the community by posting this and betraying someones trust. Val, the reason we were picked is because we are players who came to the gm's mind first, it could have been anyone, they picked players because they want to fix the game, and this is more likely to help the game with a group of players making ideas, if you post somthing on the propsal board that the gms could over looked we can post it there and it will get the full attencion, we also discuss how the gm's are acting, and if we feel they are making the correct decisions or not.

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:38 pm

Well...seeing all the bad comments on this...I believe the idea is good, and as Moathia(or whoever it was...no intention on reading) it is meant to be kept secret..in order to improve effectivity. Just trying to give my (newbie) opinion.

Guys...Girls...Man...Woman..GM's(I count them as an apart group:sticks tongue out:)...Make this game better again...

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:39 pm

Yes, but everyone has a different idea of fun, you can still rp good and contradictions will come out because we ruins someone fun. In the mean time my fun is ruined.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:41 pm

I'd prefer to take anything I wish to say to anyone directly to them, thank you very much.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:42 pm

...because in your fickle imagination you fear you might be discussed by them?

If you were completely confident in your ability to roleplay, why would you see anything wrong with this? Afterall, as Moathia keeps stating, it's there to deal with people who dont rp. Thus, what is your problem with it?

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:43 pm

If this doesn't shut you people up then I give up, this is the gm stated purpose of the board and the most important replies, all player names have been removed for saftey.

This borad is for discussions about the RP-Behaviour of individual Players,
that threaten to hinder or destroy the roleplay atmosphere.
One topic per player only please and "playernumber / playername" in the topic title.

In cases that seem to require aktion, the GMs might suggest observing other chars of that specific player. Please start an own request-topic for this with
"request - playernumber / playername" in the topic.

All this does not mean, that you have to - or even should - look out aktivly for "rulebreakers" or nuisances. So no need to disturb your own aktivities.

Also this Board might be use to discuss Quests - about their organisation and critizism afterwards to improve them. If you are organizing those quests yourselves and need some GM-help, please do so in that thread.
Please one Topic per Quest only, Questname in the Title.

since there are english speaking members in this group please keep to the english language.

Please keep in mind:

It is not intended to make this board public and to talk about this board in the public.

Also it is obvious, that the content of this board is secret and not allowed to talk about the people mentioned in this board to other players or directly to the players named here.

Interesting idea indeed, but let's hope it doesn't turn into a degenerative witch hunt

There is another point of discussion that I want to suggest for this board:
Abuse of special powers. That mainly goes out to GMs and such. If you find a GM-action doubtful, unclear or even unfair, just mention it here. I think this would be a good place to discuss that. And don't fear repression.

In fact, even those who DO RP, but not very well, show that they at least WANT to RP.

These persons are not those to be put on lists. They will learn better RP with time and some FRIENDLY hints. One of the main goals is, to find out about game disturbers who do NOT RP and don't want it.

Here are NOT the BEST role players, just those who came into the minds of some people at first.

Keep that im mind. We are NOT a kind of elitary group, but we serve the community.

propose that we also use this board to discuss about in which point bending the technical side of the game and similiar things stop being roleplaying and become rulebreaking or advantage-gaining actions.

Here is one thing I´d like to propose to be added to the sense of this board:

Not only blaming bad roleplayers but also mentioning promising newbies might be a good thing to start with. For me, I don´t want to point at players "he´s bad, he too, either is she...".

I´d appreciate to help those who´s roleplay needs to be improved and to second those who roleplay just the way it should be.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:44 pm

I think I rp good, but I no matter what peopel say if they dislike you for any reason they will try. I am a good rp, don't abuse technically difficulties either, but speaking my mind ain't helping so I hold back on somethings. In essence it sounds great, in fact it wouldn't bother me that much.

"don't trust the player" it works for and against everyone, but I choose that. I just had to vent a bit, doesn't seem as bad anymore.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:11 pm

Fine, you have me beaten...

Moyáve · Post by **Moyáve** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:14 pm

Okay, let's stick to the original ideas of this topic.

5.) Another porposal of our side, is, that the so created group watches the rp of the others and gives them advices and enrichments instead of punishments aswell as a chance to join the discussion if it is discussed about them. If that leads to nothing. one can, if there are concrete rule violations, think about punishments

I see that the first 4 proposals are discussable and frankly after all the time I spend in Illarion I'm willing to compromise and negotiate with certain points.
So Big Brother is watching me, okay *sigh* seems like I have to accept this. And as we all know, the purpose of this is not to threaten players but to improve roleplay and I hope that those "observers" stay aware of that aim.
But here's one thing that has been missing in this game since I first started playing, and that seems to me like the thing that could really improve atmosphere and roleplay.
People who actually help bad roleplayers, take time for them, explain in detail what they're doing wrong, be friendly with them

And I don't believe the GMs actually act this way before they consider banning players. I once was one of those good-for-nothing-pieces-of-crap-poluting-our-clean-little-world. Why the insulting expression? Because thats what I was treated like. And I assure you, the more insultive they became, the more insultive I became and it took me a long time before I realised on my own what I had been doing wrong.
The whole conflict, I am sure, could have been averted if only someone would've talked calmly and friendly with me and explained what I had been doing wrong instead of running up to me and deleting my skills without explanation.
In short, treat us stupid kids like humans, don't you agree that it sounds like a better atmosphere to play a game in?
So if people bring up the nerves to call themselves RP Veterans and their intention is to help and improve RP, why don't they do that?
Seriously, what speaks against re-arranging this groups motives and measures in the fashion I have just described?
Please just think about it and consider it, just for a moment, so that only one time I don't feel like I'm talking into an open grave.
I'd welcome that, thanks alot

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:19 pm

did you have read everything? i think it was mentioned more than one time THAT THE PLAYERS IN THAT GROUP WILL DO THAT, damn. how many times must that be said again? there was never said anything else. yes, it WILL BE DONE. arrr, please read the thread before posting. sorry for the hard words and rudness. but after that huge discussion, such a posting makes someone angry and frustrated

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martin · Post by **martin** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:20 pm

Val De Gausse wrote:I think we should atleast see the board but not be able to post.

You would post comments on another board or bother other people via PM or e-mail. And if it's not you it's someone else.
And soon it will be useless, just like most boards are.

Martin

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:21 pm

Moyave, please read my last post. Or if you 'accidently' ignore it look at this from my last post.

In fact, even those who DO RP, but not very well, show that they at least WANT to RP.

These persons are not those to be put on lists. They will learn better RP with time and some FRIENDLY hints. One of the main goals is, to find out about game disturbers who do NOT RP and don't want it.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:23 pm

Hey, if these boards are useless, why do they exist? Why do we need something that is useless? Why not just delete them? Is it because that they are not useless? But you just said they are, Martin!

martin · Post by **martin** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:25 pm

Val De Gausse wrote: In the mean time my fun is ruined.

So, even if you have never to do with this newly installed group of people, your fun is ruined by the fact that you are not member? This seems like sheer envy. I mean, you could easily discuss other peoples RP (as it seems this is the only topic of this board, regardless of what I have posted before) on other boards like the off-topic board or the main board. What hinders you? Nothing.
I tell you what: We had to make a decision in order to make that thing effective. This decision was to take a small group of people, just like when designing the economy system, the magical system or the fighting system.
NO ONE ever complained about the fact that they were not part of the fighting system developer team. Whats so special about it then?

Martin

Val De Gausse wrote:I think I rp good, but I no matter what peopel say if they dislike you for any reason they will try.

I'd bet you'll never come in contact with this then.
Why bother?

Martin

Moyáve · Post by **Moyáve** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:31 pm

Well, okay if thats the case I'm happy.
Please excuse me, not having read your posts but I just don't have the nerves to read everything before posting what I want to say.
Perhaps it would've been better to clear that up in the first place by making your group public and telling about their plans.
Anyway, good luck then

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:32 pm

Ugg, you misunderstood. I don't care if I am in this group or not. I was just venting about some players ruining my fun YET i respect theirs, but they blame my actions on bad rp...if I get started I won't stop.

And i met if people dislike you OOC they hold grudges.

What hinders you?

The fact that it starts a huge fight and effects ig play with others.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:34 pm

Inside, I can be thinking "Why the hell am I roleplaying with this piece of...."

Outside, I guess I have to at least try not to show it

martin · Post by **martin** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:36 pm

Moyáve wrote:So if people bring up the nerves to call themselves RP Veterans and their intention is to help and improve RP, why don't they do that?

1) They didn't call themselves "RP veterans", it was the namegiver of the board who did (lacking a better name). As I pointed out before (and, I think, also on the corresponding board), I don't like the name. Don't pay attention to it, as it is just a placeholder.
2) As I pointed our numerous times before, there is NO point on this board (also not in the discussion leading to the board!!) which tells that we try to find characters to bann them from the game. You keep on claiming that the aim of the veterans-board is to find players and punish them. This is, in fact, NOT THE CASE. It is simply untrue. Whoever told you that, he lied.As I too pointed out, I like the idea of talking to such people (where it seems that it still makes sense).

So, what is it you complain about?

Seriously, what speaks against re-arranging this groups motives and measures in the fashion I have just described?

The points you mentioned were not yet finished, discussed or anything. Your statement is based on assumptions (punishmend) and the strange perspective for someone seeing the name of a board which was created with ANY name just to make it visible to users.

Martin

Dónal Mason wrote:Hey, if these boards are useless, why do they exist?

For some people who have fun spamming them.

Martin

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:41 pm

I propose that they are renamed " The people who check that you actually roleplay"

Or PWCYAR for short. Pronounced Poo-Key-Ah.

Moyáve · Post by **Moyáve** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:43 pm

Well, okay if thats the case I'm happy.
Please excuse me, not having read your posts but I just don't have the nerves to read everything before posting what I want to say.
Perhaps it would've been better to clear that up in the first place by making your group public and telling about their plans.
Anyway, good luck then

martin · Post by **martin** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:46 pm

Dónal Mason wrote:I propose that they are renamed " The people who check that you actually roleplay"

Give it up.
You argue about arguments and people which do not exist here. That is pointless somehow.

Good night,

Martin

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:47 pm

Can't these people who enjoy spamming them get their own boards to spam? See, then they own the board, and nobody is allowed to complain when they spam said boards. You should provide a link to somewhere for these people to get their own board to spam.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:49 pm

Might I remind people that this is a game?

I question my rp almost always, generally its usually because of anger/eagerness that I commit some not-so-good roleplay actions. It really stinks not having my main character who had way too many skills and about everything a character could want.

I think the first step is admitting you've roleplayed badly, then you'll feel better and try to play better.

Stop whining, grow up.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:50 pm

Who hasn't roleplayed badly at one point or another? I sure as hell have roleplayed badly at times!

Christiana · Post by **Christiana** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:54 pm

i am sure me too, but this is not the point of this thread, not the point of the veterans, it is only a fixed idea in your heads!