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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:08 am
by Fooser
Albernon wrote: So, now what is your problem? You're citizens of Notherot, not Troll's Bane, so what business of yours is it what the government does?
Indeed, for Albernon too, I wasn't aware I was on the list, go figure..

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:07 am
by Albernon
FooserJohn wrote:Oh no I'm closeminded, or am I? There seems to be one way of viewing things inside town, support Lyrenzia or get out. And you are calling me that? Lets look at some phrases and actions of Lyrenzia, "head of diplomatic affairs", since when does a judicial system decide diplomatic affairs? Governments handle foriegn policy and so on. Appointing who they think should protect the town, something they have no authority to do, and so on, I think you get the point.
No, I don't. You have no point. You're just stupid and hate Lyrenzia because you're young and stupid and know squat about government. The only words you know are "freedom" and "tyranny" and and have no idea what lies in between and the philisophical justification of a government starting from from scratch. All you do is babble about they have no "authority". How many times does someone have to explain to you about the fact that "authority" is for anyone to take in a state of anarchy?
It is a government NOW? Oh, thanks for the future notice. And you are wrong about elections, they are not free elections from the people of Trollsbane. Remember when Zerbus ran for representative? They wanted to NULLIFY the votes for him because they want only their guild friends in there. Luckily it did not happen, or that would truly have been an even sadder day.
So in other words, somebody suggested something unfair, and Lyrenzia made the right decision in not allowing the unfairness to happen, and you're suggesting that means the elections are unfair? Oh no all hell is breaking loose now!!!! How stupid you are.

And leave it you fooser to change the words to "they want their friends only", when it was actually "they don't want friends of Darlok".
Gro'bul wrote:The Grey Rose started a war saying they would kill any Northerot citizen in trollsbane. Hypocrisy? Lyrenzia is not a government, they don't "own" the borders, neither do they claim to. Darlok does. When every Trollsbane citizen thinks that Northerot people are not allowed in their town and unite under one government then so be it. The only hipocrisy is saying Lyrenzia is not a government then summoning an army in the name of Trollsbane.

Where did I get merchants and craftsman? Many live in peace in Northerot, do nothing to anyone, then get their life threatend for no reason except their ruler has some enemies who hold a long standing grudge since before some citizens where even bore by their mothers.

~Avrillon
Does the word hypocrisy mean anything to you? Who cares who owns the borders? Wasn't that your point? Wasn't your point that people are more important than borders? Apparently Notherot doesn't think so, so why don't you go talk to YOUR leaders first?
FooserJohn wrote:
Albernon wrote:So, now what is your problem? You're citizens of Notherot, not Troll's Bane, so what business of yours is it what the government does?
Really? Thats peculiar, I didn't think I was.
Then why don't you move into Notherot instead if Lyrenzia is so lousy? Apparently either it's better here than in Notherot, or you have some strange diesease that makes you constantly complain about Lyrenzia only.

By the way, I consider members of Grant Herion's movement and anyone who supported Darlok the same kind of scum as him.
Albernon wrote: Do you see Lyrenzia constantly writing pieces of paper on your walls complaining about how your decisions, rules and laws?
Absolutely.
Leave it Fooser the Exaggerator to tell us the "facts" again.

By the way, I wonder how you answered that question when you said you weren't a citizen of Notherot.
Grant Herion wrote:Gulleirmo, I will be honest I didn't spend a minute or two reading your pointless post. Trolls Bane doesn't have a government. Therefore you could never demand for money when someone decides to use your anvil or your glassblower or decides to get coal out of your cave.
Do you think there is a difference between Northerot and Silverbrand? There is, Silverbrand kills you if they catch you in their city alone. Northerot will charge you 200 gold. And yet you seem to think money is more important then your life because you don't complain about them. There is your hypocrisy, if you are going to complain about countries that don't let you in for free, then complain about all of them. Not the ones you feel are worse.

Also Aragon, Darlok did do evil deeds. But not his citizens. They, the people did nothing. Northerot is a much more peaceful place then Trolls Bane so of course they would want to live there. Consider all the murder trials you have, or all the fires on buildings. Then consider Northerot, most of the time you won't find anyone, occasionally you will and you will not have to fight them.
The point is, people left Lyrenzian rule. Don't try to threaten their lives because of their own decision.

Grant Herion
They left Lyrenzian rule? Great, so why don't they just STAY there if it's so safe. Don't come back if you don't want to be in danger.

By the way, I don't consider it necessary to justify anything to people like you who FREELY CHOSE to live on STOLEN land, STOLEN property, owned by scum who blackmailed the rest of town.

You're all just scum who knowingly took things that were stolen from other people and try to keep it for yourself. There is no difference.
Hades wrote:I must agree, I remember it to, the grey rose wanted to kill every northerot citizen that walks into town. my question is why?
Gee, why don't you ask Notherot why they threaten other people that go into their territory.

For some reason everytime Lyrenzia does something, Fooser and Grant Herion are the two people who are always there to whine. Get a life and get a job.

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:42 am
by Grant Herion
Get a life? I have one, I am Prince Grant Herion leader of the Movement. Get a job? I have one, I am a amatuer fisherman and a fairly good carpenter. What was the point of the insult?

So Albernon, you again write something, I read all of it, but it is just a regurgitation of what you always right. "Lyrenzia is the only good thing, you are all whiners and complainers always complain, if you don't like it move out."
My question is why should any citizen have to leave Trolls Bane if they don't like Lyrenzia? When did Lyrenzia control Trolls Bane? Either way, this arguement has been killed and we shouldn't waste time argueing about it. Albernon will quote all of us and write a large scroll about why we are wrong when infact his arguements have so many holes it isn't worth the time to write.
The arguement is this:

The Grey Rose has a war against Darlok. Why is it out to get Northerot citizens? You can say that they aren't after anyone but Darlok, but how come you ruin the Bloodskull cave? I have seen the ruins of it, you completely trashed the cave.
If you are after Darlok, go and get him, don't ruin the independent country of Northerot.
Grant Herion

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:57 am
by Konstantin K
Guillermo Ballesta, just be quiet! Right now. Stop thinking, and listen. You are thinking in a wrong direction.

Darlok was the one who did the killing, but now he is losing his power. Northerot has hope to be the peaceful place.
I have the full right to speak for the Island, for Troll's Bane, and for Northerot! Why?
Because after Darlok killed all my friends, I battled Darlok's worms to the last bit of strength in my hands.
Because along with other Northerot dwellers, we sacrificed ourselves to end the drought, when the Gods came down to Earth. That happened before you were even around, so better learn some history, and you will discover that Northerot citizens and Lyrenzia citizens joined together and went side by side through this troubling journey to restore the Island's balance.

Go into the library, and read the lists of heroes, Guillermo. You will find that most of them, more then half, are Northerot citizens and non-citizens.
I do not know how Grant Herion escaped Darlok's orders to apply for citizenship, but he clearly lives and Northerot, and he was one of the key figures in the Spirit World problem. Nerevar, Carahawen, Aristeaus, and others who are in status of Northerot clearance - were just as equally heroic in the quest to save the island. Darlok's sin was washed with our blood, so I do not know about others, but I will stand for my right to talk, walk free, and work towards Northerot's prosperity. I believe in Northerot, not its King. I don't care how it is ruled. What I care about is the new empire at birth. A place I will call my new home.

We did not control Darlok when he showed his power and flooded the island with blood. More then that, we fixed what he had done. Thanks to him, Northerot is built at all. Where now it stands - there used to be nothing but a bunch of ruined castle remains. It is now a prospering land, and Darlok has just left it.

I feel my right to pass through any land on the island, because I gave my life to it. I care not of politics, or guards or borders. I was forced to become a citizen of North by circumstances, and now, if anyone wants to stop me or call me an evil bastard - do it in my face, when my blades are facing you. Then I will listen.

Sincerely.

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:34 am
by Guillermo Ballesta
Dear Konstantin,

first of all...I was on the Island during the draught, and I was praying on the shrine, guarding the few seedlings the gods gave us...noone of your so called northerot heroes was there, oh yes now I remember the 30 poeple praying... I even had to explain the way to the ushara shrine to some of them, so it really dont impressed me much what happend on this day. The ones that saved our island where the ones who cared about this problem all the time beore the day of "heroism".
Now a few more things about your heroes, it seems that you dont know some things about them.
Grant nearly destroyed the island because he was one of 3 who answerd to the question of the spirit of mind in a completely wrong way...nerevar was another one of the same team who answered wrong. The question was pretty easy by the way and both showed that they dont care about friendship.
Another one startet do shoot in the ghost realm.
This is what you call heroes?

Nerevar attacked Mariana in our town a few days ago, so he is another bad example for a hero.

I often go to library, I know about the history of this island and the fact that some people who now "worship" this nice lord monarch where, what you call, heroes doesnt say anythin to me. First of all someone who risks his life because of hes greed is not a hero, someone who risks his life for friends is a hero...tell this to your friends nerevar and grant for example, the heroes of the spirit of mind...they will know what i mean.
You say you dont care about politics, guards and borders and feel you have the right to pass wherever you want? Nor do I, and therefore I still enter the territories of northerot, and I will not pay one single gold piece to the king. I have absolutely nothing against you, or many other citizens of the north, but I consider it a normal reaction if Lyrenzia and The Grey Rose react on this situation.

Now something to grant,

you cant compare silverbrand with northerot. Silverbrand was build entirely by the dwarfes so they have the right to close it. In northerot the situation is completely different...the land was stolen and the castle build by blackmailing.
And I do spend more than a minute reading your more than pointless posts...thats a big difference between us.

regards
Guillermo Bsallesta

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:45 am
by Grant Herion
Guillermo... The question was not easy. It wasn't even a question, it was a choice. The choice was: we can save our friends but the island was doomed with draught; or we leave our friends and the island is prosporous.
Now Guillermo, you are obviously not a leader, a leader would have seen that friends are important, but there were only about 15 people doomed where as there were hundreds of other people that would benefit.
Do not say it was an easy choice. But I am sure you would pretend that you would have known better and all these after the few months you had been here.
Guillermo, you are iggnorant and annoying, I cannot write to you because of the lack of experience on your part. I cannot compare anything to you because you wouldn't understand.
Oh and Guillermo, you obviously weren't a very good seedling guarder since they were stolen from you everyday. Or did you notice that once I put the movement on guarding the seedlings that no one else stole. (And now i will wait for you to say that people in the movement were stealing the seeds.)

Grant Herion

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:49 am
by Konstantin K
You do know the history, Guillermo, indeed. I respect that. But then you should be even more aware of what stands behind the past.
Grant and Nerevar only chose to complete the Quest and not save the friends, because WE were shouting it to them from the prison. They wanted to pick right, they were already on their way, but the prisoners talked them out.

I entered the Spirit Realm with my own reasons - to find my beloved, so it was glory or heroism I went there for, but I DO indeed consider everyone who saved the island - heroes. If you contributed to this, then you belong to the list. But then you should even better know that we who are tied to this island, must not go into war with each other because of territorial issues. Kings and Queens are mortal. For every force, there is a counterforce.

If it was up to me, I would open Northerot to traders and visitors, but apparently I am nowhere near positions of power. I think Troll's Bane should not follow Northerot's example and introduce death penalties for trespassing.

As for Aragon's statement - yes, Grey Rose can be negotiated with.

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:53 am
by Hagen von Rabenfeld
To our dear prince of Herion,
The Grey Rose has a war against Darlok. Why is it out to get Northerot citizens? You can say that they aren't after anyone but Darlok, but how come you ruin the Bloodskull cave?
You are not informed. The ogre king devestated the ogre cave. The grey rose is a migthy organisation, but i doubt anyone of them can hurl boulders through the air like nothing. You should ask Darlok about this incident, he was present.
Oh and Guillermo, you obviously weren't a very good seedling guarder since they were stolen from you everyday. Or did you notice that once I put the movement on guarding the seedlings that no one else stole. (And now i will wait for you to say that people in the movement were stealing the seeds.)
You are not informed. You gave the order but i saw only one of your members, guarding it for about some minutes. And dont tell me they all guarded it while i was asleep. I was at the shrine every day together with Fedaykin AND Guillermo. Should i compare that to ELaralith`s "neverending" prayer?
My question is why should any citizen have to leave Trolls Bane if they don't like Lyrenzia?
You are not informed. People who violate the laws, who steal, incinerate, murder, blackmail, worship the fallen god or cause a drought upon us, or those who help such a person actively should leave the town.


To our dear sellsword,
We did not control Darlok when he showed his power and flooded the island with blood. More then that, we fixed what he had done. Thanks to him, Northerot is built at all. Where now it stands - there used to be nothing but a bunch of ruined castle remains. It is now a prospering land, and Darlok has just left it.

I feel my right to pass through any land on the island, because I gave my life to it. I care not of politics, or guards or borders.
Everyone becomes a hero when one`s own hide is at risk, or when they can expect to die of malnutrition. Where are the heros when it comes to do something which will not bring you glory and save your life aswell?
Not thanks to Darlok the castle is built. Thanks to all those who put their lives at risk, who gave their sweat and good name for it in order to save the island. They built as you "Northerot citizens" were standing at the side and laughed at them. And those people will get killed, when they try to enter the castle which they constructed with their own hands. What about their rights to pass through any land on the island? You do not care about guards or borders? Well we would love to be able to say that too.
Yes, you did not control Darlok, but you didnt do anything against him either, as there were still enough ressources to live a comfortable life and you thought you can make a profit out of a chaotic situation. You simply joined the side which seemed to come out on the upper hand and saved your own hide. Would you call everyone who has the instict of survival a hero?
Darlok's sin was washed with our blood
You cannot wash a sin of someone else. Only Darlok himself can do so and yes indeed prefereably with his blood.
I believe in Northerot, not its King.
Then a monarchic kingdom, in which the king`s word is law, is the wrong place for you to live in.
I think Troll's Bane should not follow Northerot's example and introduce death penalties for trespassing.
You are not informed. I wrote above for what reasons people are thrown out and death penalties only apply if the individual doesnt leave peacefully. This opportunity was given to everyone, even murderers.
As for Aragon's statement - yes, Grey Rose can be negotiated with.

So what are you complaining about?
The rose doesnt attack anyone just because he is a northerot citizen.
The guard doesnt attack anyone just because he is a northerot citizen.

I see Northerot citizens everyday on our streets. Carahawen, Azira, Zahra your own serf, Aristeaus, Athian, Avrillon, even soldiers of your kingdom like Derthag. They dont get attacked or thrown out because they do not threaten, steal or kill on our ground.


If you are all that free of Darlok`s rule then bring a new leader into power and you wont have trouble with those who are having a war against Darlok and those who help him actively. By the way you do not have trouble with anyone just now, if you are able to follow Troll`s Bane`s law ,while you are on its ground. If you kill people, who entered Northerot, because Darlok told you to do so, you arent very free of his rule, or am i wrong?

Regards,
~Hagen von Rabenfeld~

Edit: Forgot to sign

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:21 pm
by Konstantin K
Hagen, talking about not doing anything to stop Darlok... do you really have a right to say that?
You were among the ones who helped him build the castle. I remember it well, you bowed to him and joined the crew on the second or third day.
I remember I asked you myself about your sudden turnover, and you started giving me some ideological load of ideas about new world and such...
I never put a single brick into the castle, and more then that, I fought his followers on a daily basis. Ask Grant. Ask that elf Arvillon, or what's his name... ask Vobe and Pok' Ash. Ask rotworms I killed.
Ask Sess'sth, who was healing people at the tavern under attack. Anyone who survived the battle - they will all say, I was there. Fighting on innocents' side. Trying to protect. I am not boasting, but I am simply stating the facts. I don't care about glory or greatfulness, I don't need anything at all, but it is a fact that has to be mentioned, that even having my right side almost fully paralyzed, having a broken right hand at the time, I helped as I could to fight off Darlok's worms.
I promised to stay neutral and not attack either side. I kept my promise, but Darlok's men kept attacking me. I had to engage and killed a lot of them, but only in self defense. I never helped Darlok, and all my actions were against his agenda. But the balance of power changed, and then, following the survival instinct, I joined the stronger party.
But I never helped them until now, that I live there.
As for building the castle, I think people should ask you, Hagen. You were there, building it. You're the hero on that one. How did it feel to build it?

The sad thing is that Troll's Bane is declaring war on me now, and I do not see any reasons.

Oh, and I never killed in Darlok's name.

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:56 pm
by Hagen von Rabenfeld
Do you totally ignore that the town was blackmailed? We had two options, die of thirst or build the castle. (or stand idle and watch the balance of power shift to decide, which side to join) I knew this would tarnish my reputation, but i chose to take that disadvantage in order to end the drought and save those who would soon start to starve. I already stated above that it is very easy to play the hero if you have to, like Darlok`s worms attack you. But not many would give up their good name to save children and the old from dying of thirst. I do not doubt you took good care about saving your hide, granted.

I included the part about it is not thanks to Darlok that the castle was built, to point out you do not owe him anything,but the drought. If you would owe anything to anyone then those, who were forced to build it and did this although they knew what "praise" they will get from people who cannot differentiate between neutrality and apathy.

Thanks to Darlok we had the drought and thanks to those who wanted to see an end of it and gave their name for it we have the castle.

Can you see the connection to Silverbrand? The dwarves built it, so they own it. People who sacrifized their good name and built the castle cannot enter the kingdom without the threat of being killed. That is what i wanted to proof.
But the balance of power changed, and then, following the survival instinct, I joined the stronger party.
That is what i wanted to proof. I knew a selfish sellsword would never be able to make a sacrifize that would demand something like putting his reputation at risk.
Before you point out, how heroically you went on the quest of the spirits, i may quote you dear Konstantin:
I entered the Spirit Realm with my own reasons
And lets do not forget that on this day every sinner and murderer was a most pious individual, as he became aware of the gods` true powers. Even Rustas who had taken great pleasure in cutting down the trees of Ushara`s shrine, while the drought was already there, participated in one of the quests. So what do you want to proof with this? That even sinners do not like to starve? Granted.


Finally ill add something to the original topic:
The sad thing is that Troll's Bane is declaring war on me now, and I do not see any reasons.
Do you even care to read what i wrote? It seems i have to repeat myself.
The rose doesnt attack anyone just because he is a northerot citizen.
The guard doesnt attack anyone just because he is a northerot citizen.

I see Northerot citizens everyday on our streets. Carahawen, Azira, Zahra your own serf, Aristeaus, Athian, Avrillon, even soldiers of your kingdom like Derthag. They dont get attacked or thrown out because they do not threaten, steal or kill on our ground.
Regards,
~Hagen von Rabenfeld~

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:29 pm
by Carahawen
Hagen von Rabenfeld wrote: I see Northerot citizens everyday on our streets. Carahawen, Azira, Zahra your own serf, Aristeaus, Athian, Avrillon, even soldiers of your kingdom like Derthag. They dont get attacked or thrown out because they do not threaten, steal or kill on our ground.
Azira is no citizen of Northerot, or have I missed something? As for the members of the Amazon Tribe standing on that list: it's an agreement so that the Amazons can stay neutral. As for myself, please consider me as citizen of Troll's Bane and not as a visitor, because it was what I always was and ever will be (since arriving on this island), no matter what other citizenships I will have as well.

~Carahawen~
Warrior of the Amazon Tribe
Scribe of the Circle of Scribes
Citizen of Troll's Bane

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 3:06 pm
by Hagen von Rabenfeld
Indeed Carahawen you are right concerning Azira. My mistake.

What i wanted to point out, is that your citizenship does not make any difference. You can be a citizen of Northerot, Greensbrier, Troll`s bane or whatever. From the guards point of view there are only two categories you can be considered part of.

Those who follow the law.
Those who dont.

Noone will get punished by the guard for his citizenship alone, but for his actions. I hope i made my point clear enough, so that even Konstantin understands it.

Im sure that the grey rose, as a protector of the town differentiates like that aswell, but i cannot speak for them, as im a guardsman and no knight of the circle.

Regards,
~Hagen von Rabenfeld~

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:44 pm
by Fooser
Albernon wrote: All you do is babble about they have no "authority".
Why should I listen to a dead guild that I am not part of?
Albernon wrote: How many times does someone have to explain to you about the fact that "authority" is for anyone to take in a state of anarchy?
And Lyrenzia wants to stop anarchy? They failed when they put Hagen and Irenicus to patrol the streets.
Albernon wrote: And leave it you fooser to change the words to "they want their friends only", when it was actually "they don't want friends of Darlok".
At the time there was no citizenship for Northerot, so he was still part of town, he had the equal opportunity, and people like you couldn't stand that.
Albernon wrote: Then why don't you move into Notherot instead if Lyrenzia is so lousy? Apparently either it's better here than in Notherot, or you have some strange diesease that makes you constantly complain about Lyrenzia only.
A common misconception about myself. I'll say it again, I do not discriminate. I am no fan of Darlok, or a monarchy. It would be a little strange if Fooser spends his time preaching against an Oligarchy, then runs and supports a monarchy, wouldn't it? Darlok's governing creates no free speech at all, AND slavery, Trollsbane does not have that yet, but they aren't far behind.
Albernon wrote: By the way, I consider members of Grant Herion's movement and anyone who supported Darlok the same kind of scum as him.
And I consider anyone under the influence of Tialdin the same kind of scum that he is, what's your point?
Albernon wrote: For some reason everytime Lyrenzia does something, Fooser and Grant Herion are the two people who are always there to whine. Get a life and get a job.
For some reason everytime there is an argument, Albernon is always there to whine back and defend his prized "institution". You should also get a life then. This is my life. Why you ask? Because I have to deal with these people everyday, vigilantes who think they know what is best for the town, but have no clue, I have to deal with people who who want me to leave but can't even recite the reason.

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:41 pm
by Brendan Mason
Konstantin
Josefine von Irnaron
Adano Eles
Sess'sth
Zeshyrr
Hagen von Rabenfeld
Caranthir
Denon
Ultoris
Tialdin
Nerevar Schattenaxt
Aristeaus
Chuirion Ecflair
Carahawen
Belegi Zahar
Grant Herion
Brendan Mason
Jeron Giandor
Djironnyma
Drogla
Glosin Ironstar

And my dearest Respect to Fedaykin, who kept praying the neverending prayer, you rescued us all.
These are the people whom saved the island, especially Fedaykin.

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 11:56 pm
by Albernon
Grant Herion wrote:
So Albernon, you again write something, I read all of it, but it is just a regurgitation of what you always right. "Lyrenzia is the only good thing, you are all whiners and complainers always complain, if you don't like it move out."
You read it all, and yet your brain fails to register anything everytime. Find a single time where I actaully said "Lyrenzia is the only good thing" and I'll lick your rat bitten scrawny behind. You only need to read the very first paragraph which answers your endless question of "why does Lyrenzia have the authority to do etc etc etc?"
My question is why should any citizen have to leave Trolls Bane if they don't like Lyrenzia? When did Lyrenzia control Trolls Bane? Either way, this arguement has been killed and we shouldn't waste time argueing about it.
You ask this stupid question time and time again and it has already been answered a million times. I'll tell it to you once again, but I bet it won't register in your brain again. The answer is: ANARCHY. Lyrenzia can say it's king of the island. You can say you're king of the island. Everyone can do anything they want. If someone disagrees with you they might do something about it. That's the whole point.

You're stupid question of where did the "right" come from is a meaningless question in the field of anarchy. You can't claim that someone has "no right" to do something in an anarchy. The "right" is everywhere. People act according to their own beliefs. People fight over beliefs. Lyrenzia's beliefs are called "laws". If you don't agree with these beliefs then conflicts ensues. Simple. Same way it's done in an anarchy.

By the way, nobody says you have leave town just because you don't like Lyrenzia. You should leave if you can't live by the laws.
The arguement is this:

The Grey Rose has a war against Darlok. Why is it out to get Northerot citizens? You can say that they aren't after anyone but Darlok, but how come you ruin the Bloodskull cave? I have seen the ruins of it, you completely trashed the cave.
If you are after Darlok, go and get him, don't ruin the independent country of Northerot.
Grant Herion
Because you DESERVE it while you live in you STOLEN land and STOLEN castle. You want your own land to live on? PAY FOR IT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. You want to try and keep stolen property? Your choice.
And Lyrenzia wants to stop anarchy? They failed when they put Hagen and Irenicus to patrol the streets.
So you're saying that with Lyrenzia here, it's still anarchy.
But you want Lyrenzia gone, which is still anarchy, so that means you want anarchy.
So either way, we are still living in anarchy in your eyes, and that's what you want. Either way, it's the same as anarchy, which was the point.
So what are you complaining about?
It's anarchy in your eyes! That's what you want!

You're complaining because anarchy is free for all, and so you're LOSING because a large group of people united to become too strong for you, so you want them to break up.

Let me guess, you STILL don't get the point about why anyone can do anything they want in anarchy, including Lyrenzia.
fooserjohn wrote: At the time there was no citizenship for Northerot, so he was still part of town, he had the equal opportunity, and people like you couldn't stand that.
Yes, I can't stand the fact that a friend of Darlok had the opportunity to become a leader of the town he was trying to destroy. You're point being? Just because you hate Lyrenzia so much that you would be stupid enough to think that we should allow the enemy to walk into our house, doesn't mean everyone else is that stupid too.

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:05 am
by Albernon
Suppose that Zerbus did deserve to vote....suppose I'm just very evil in trying to exclude Zerbus... then...
Oh wait.. Lyrenzia DID allow Zerbus to vote!....
And yet you complain that ohhh Lyrenzia is so unfair!!! Oh no the sky is falling!!!

hehe

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 1:29 pm
by Aristeaus
Aristeaus reads through the many messages and chuckles.

It seems all the same arguements come out again, my oh my, people are getting bored are they not.
I thought this was about the town guard, i was hopeing for something interesting to read, not the never ending drival of good and evil, as there are no such things.
And it is true, if you respect the law the law respects you. eye for an eye and such nonsense is what the guard stand for, and it seems to work, so who are we to argue.

Arist starts to whistle a small tune and walks towads the tavern.

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:04 pm
by Val De Gausse
reads the last post and writes one phrase

An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.