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This is an outrage! Elaralith near kills Cain, and she gets a measly 5 hours of prison?! I should hope at least her voting rights are withheld for a month.

I am most disappointed, though not surprised, members of Lyrenzia's Council. Elaralith nearly kills me twice in one day and you give her 5 hours of imprisonment. It is ridiculous, I tell you. This government is more blind than I imagined. If it were Paul Laffing or Zerbus even, who tried to kill me twice, they would be in exile. If it were anyone but Elaralith, I feel the charges would be much heavier. Have you never taken notice to all her previous accounts of unpunished crime? What will five hours of imprisonment do? It will give her five hours away from everything to plot against me.

I can believe this happened, but I am very disappointed in the failure of Justice.

Disappointedly yours,
Cain S. Freemont

Cain walks off, a solemn, distant look on his face.

First of all I would like to state, that we concider 'jail' heavier punishment than exile. Some of you may have noticed, that exile is not very succesful form of punishment because we don't have any control over their behavior and are not sure wether the person obeys us or not.
She has now been branded as criminal, If I were you I would be satified, that stain is not going to wear out easily. It is going to be there long, long time after serving her punishment.

Also, Cain. You would have been dissatisfied with any punishment other than death. Your feelings towards her are well known, believe me.

((Also, as 'Jail' conciders onlinetime, it may be more for one person than five days of exile, if the person simply decides not to play at the time, or constantly violates against the punishment, it pretty much makes the punishment (exile) useless. I fail to see the point in locking people up for huge amounts of RL time (concidering that some people have expensive modem connections which would make it too hard for that group of players) and because it is really lame to sit in jail for RL-weeks, which would encourage to idle and similiar activities, think about this.)))

Caranthir and other council members,

You're right. Death would be the most satisfying punishment in my opinion, considering she has tried three times in total to kill me, has insulted me on various occasions about my race, my way of doing things, and my general lifestyle, AND has attacked my friends in the same ways. I will not hide the fact that I feel she should be either gone from this land or dead. Actually, I wouldn't mind and would be perfectly satisfied if she was put on some desolate nearby island for a long while. At least then she could not wreak havoc on people in town. She's done more evil in the past few weeks than Drahken has done in a few months.

And being branded a criminal... how is being branded by Lyrenzia any different than already being branded by the people? It isn't. So you're saying there is no real punishment you can give her... Marvelous. She basically walks free after a few days and is "branded a criminal." Really makes criminals want to stop, doesn't it? And if you consider jail heavier than exile, why would you give her the easier way if she does not respond?? If you ask me, which you won't, I find this method of "punishment" useless, as she will just go about her business yet again afterwards.

Regardless of whether or not you find this message either offensive or hostile, or no matter how wrong you think I am, I will stand by this opinion to my grave. I thought Lyrenzia could correct the problem of Elaralith trying to kill me and doing horrible deeds to others.

Yours,
Cain S. Freemont

Absolutely wonderful, Cain.
Delightful, so basically what you are saying is, that you want Elaralith to be punished harder than some other person for the things she was accused (Alledged crimes do not count, my friend. And why should they? She recieved punishment for crimes she was accused and found guilty, nothing more, nothing less.)
And then you accuse us for lack of justice? I hope that you don't mind if I choose to disregard your comments about our ways to deliver justice, concidering that yourself seem to be lacking sense of it yourself.

I am amused and suprised by the fact that people think of our punishments to be too light. Now this is the kind of development that I am pleased to see. To counter your requests I will start working on longer punishments instantly, however the door swings both ways.

If you want Elaralith to be accused for other crimes, you better..
ACCUSE HER DAMNIT! COLLECT THE EVIDENCE! HOW THE HELL ARE WE ABLE TO CONVICT HER FOR SOMETHING THAT SHE HAS NEVER BEEN ACCUSED OF?

Have a nice day,
Caranthir.

Lyrenzia,

As I recall, not responding for twenty-four hours was to result in exile... Elaralith has been in town today. Does your definition of exile mean something different than what I think it does?

-Cain

I don't know what you think it means, there is a explanation in the Lyrenzia castle:

Definition of "Exiled":

When someone has been labled an "Exile" by the Lyrenzia Foundation, it means that everyone is given justification to attack that person whenever they are seen in the town of Troll's Bane during the time period of their exile (If revived, the exile must be given reasonable time to leave before attacking them, or else it would be res-killing).

This is when it comes to your hands, my dear friends. If we do not see that the person is breaking the exile, we cannot (at the moment) do too much about it. However, you have the chance. If you see someone breaking his/her sentence, you better show to him/her that it was a bad move.

You must be kidding, Caranthir! This is insane! You expect that just ANYONE in the town to possibly take down Elaralith?? The reason I brought this up to you is because I cannot stop her myself! And you expect anyone else in the town to be able to... There must be some way to punish those who are much stronger than the town members, considering most are merchants. There are a given few who MIGHT be able to do it, but likely cannot since she seems to just vanish whenever she is threatened in anyway.((..poor rp..)) Yes, put it back in the hands of the citizens when the citizens are the ones who wanted it taken care of by Lyrenzia in the first place...

We never (as far as I remember) claimed that this system was perfect, and all suggestions to improve it are welcome.
However, there is vast number of people who take outlaw-hunting as a hobby. I know this from personal experience via encounters with such people.

However you fail to see the critical point, lets divide the population of illarion into (lets say) three groups. When Lyrenzia does a decidion about thing "A" group a 1. opposes, 2. agrees and 3. stays neutral.
This will be always so, this current system may seem to be light with punishments, but if the sentences would be longer, we would have to listen nonsense about the verdicts being too rough. Now we have to listen this, do you get my point? We cannot, at any point, please everybody at the same time. It's impossible. Period. However, as I said this is the first version of the judical system and we are on constant lookout for ideas to improve it. We have already started a discussion concerning harder punishments and compensations for the victim from the criminal. These were proposed by citizens of the town, so you CAN make a diffrence.

((Wouldn't it be bad rp for us just to throw people into jail without giving them a chance to be 'exiled' (I.E. doing it "magically")? This is the current way we must deal with them, and since people don't choose to go to jail.. ))

Cain Freemont wrote:Elaralith nearly kills me twice in one day and you give her 5 hours of imprisonment. If it were Paul Laffing or Zerbus even, who tried to kill me twice, they would be in exile. If it were anyone but Elaralith, I feel the charges would be much heavier. Have you never taken notice to all her previous accounts of unpunished crime?

Errr... do you realize it's not a matter of whether Lyrenzia gives someone prison or exile, but that the criminal gets labeled exile if they don't choose prison? I suggest you go learn how the system works before you complain about it. Right now convicted people have the chance to leave town instead of being forced into jail just because Lyrenzia says they are guilty. You don't like it now because you want somebody you don't like to be punished more harshly, but I bet you will be the first to whine again if next time if it is one of YOUR friends that gets convicted. If you want criminals to be branded by Lyrenzia to be treated in another more effectively way, why did you not ever propose it? But the result will still be the same.... you want Lyrenzia to take more power and use more force now because Elaralith is convicted, but later when it is someone else, you will probably just complain about Lyrenzia's power again.

A few weeks ago you were fussing about fair judgement to your friend Fooser and now you want Elaralith who you don't like to punished of some phantom "previous" crimes that haven't been proven in this trial.
You think the punishments aren't tough enough? Well the exact punishments for each crime and how jail and exile are handled were clearly written at Lyrenzia Castle long ago and has always been used during ever setence, so if you don't like it why didn't you ever show any concern about them and propose different punishments before now?

Oh wait, let me guess! You never gave a rat's ass about how the judicial system and the punishments work before. You only care when it affects yourself, your friends, or someone who you want in jail.
Hah! That's the typical selfish lout.
Cain Freemont, you should be the last person to complain about Lyrenzia... you who wants to reap the fruits but don't help to sow the seeds.
Typical kind of person that complains about Lyrenzia....
When there is no immediate personal benefit they complain Lyrenzia does too much.
When it is something for themselves, they complain Lyrenzia doesn't do enough.

Lyrenzia say:

2): The killing or attempt to kill without a valid reason is not allowed. (10 hours of prison)

And Elaralith gets 5 hours for trying to kill Cain twice.

Yes, when added this, that would be 20 hours of prison, why does Elararith only get a quarter of that?

Grant Herion