Lyrenzia Foundation: Judicial trial / Gerichtsverfahren #6

[Damien]

Protesting is, of course, not a crime. But since these individuals all have been accused of several crimes, the truth about it must be found, and those who are found guilty, will have to be punished for their doings.

The reason for the punishing is not revenge, nor hatred against those persons, nor any other emotions. Their punishment must be a lesson for those being punished - out of two reasons :

1.) They must learn that hurting someone's body, mind or honor willingly is a thing not to be done. Not even out of religious reasons - religion itself is a good thing, but hurting other people, violating laws and the like are things only a fanatic person would do. And when religion becomes fanatism, it is not good any more.

2.) The society tries to enable a safe, honorable life for everyone within it. Some people may have the opinion that the stronger ones have the right to do whatever they like with weaker persons - but this is not a base for a good society.
If some individuals hurt other ones without being punished at all, they will continue doing so. This must be prevented - society must be able to protect the citizens.

[Fooser]

As i saw Fooser several times near the fires, I decided to speak to him.

Yes, I seem to live in the town, isnt that weird?

I followed Fooser, who was near the incident

....and?

but admitted that he knows him

Yes Alnerith knows me, many people do actually.....and?

Several witnesses saw Fooser

......and?

Fooser did burn the silverstar shop . He was trialed for this.

This is useless information that I was trialed for, and is only here for the sole purpose of making me look worse. Now they want me in exile again, well I was told by Roke to see Mishrack....well where has he been the last week?

and a dwarf who was standing near told Damien and me, that it was Fooser

Did Damien see who casted the fires? I doubt it

The methods of Fooser, Grant Herion and Alnerith Dencort proof the evidence, that they were taught by the same master

Methods for what?

Fooser acted very strange that day. He threatened, and pushed a human and his wife, threatening those coming closer. His behaviour was quite childish, thoughtless, and had agressive tendencies, as it seemed.

I was under the influence of a strange plant and remember little, I believe Drathe and whoever else can vouch for that....I think. And what does this have to do with anything?

the only person i saw around was Fooser

Yes I tend to walk around town, isnt that weird? And if your suggesting I made the fire because I was near it, then if you saw me you were near it too, why arent you on trial with me?

For the burning of the field, Fooser walked by before

......and?


I would also like to point out that the person who sent the report barely speaks my language. He dosen't know what he is talking about. All these witnesses either saw me near a crime scene or heard from someone else, which is not reliable at all. If you are going to suggest that seeing people near a crime is good evidence, then you are going to have MAJOR problems. You have no case whatsoever. And if you had any knowledge of my fighting preferences, then you would know that I hate red skeletons, and they would probably kill me, so what are the odds of me bringing them all the way into town?

[Gro'bul]

Fooser has never wronged me in any way nor have i seen him do wrong. This case seems perposterous, just because somebody walks around town doesnt mean they are going around burning things. There arent even any real testimonies that saw him do anything, therefore, why is he on trial?

~~Avrillon~~

[Caranthir the great]

Well, damn everybody who disagrees with anything and does something about it. How much damage was actually done? He couldn't have done much.

You said that, not me.
However the way of protesting was wrong, first of all he did NOT tell us that something we did was wrong in his opinion, he skipped that part and jumped straight into destruction of property. I give you an example: I dont like your hair, I walk next to you and set it on fire as a protest, without saying a word.
Reasonable? I doubt.

Just because one confesses doesn't mean they are actually guilty, they just want to get it all over with because they know that they can't win the battle.

Or it means that they have done it, and just want to get shorter sentence by confessing that.

it just so happens to be the minority who isn't exactly appreciated by the general public.

Again, you said it, not me. How do you define general population and who appriciates who?

[Malinne]

If you set my hair on fire, that would probably get me killed, your shop suffered a little fire damage. ((implied?)) And well, it seems as though the general population agrees with Lyrenzia.

I simply do not like the idea of being governed in even the slightest of ways. I can make good judgments for myself without causing grief to everyone else and I'd rather not let Lyrenzia decide that for me.

Everyone seems so sure of everything, so do whatever you want to do. Anyone else who is against Lyrenzia, which seems to be few, we must try to obey the laws just to keep ourselves out of trouble. Keep an eye out for any others that you know about. Lyrenzia will probably fall eventually, even if we aren't the cause. We can only wait for that day, even if it doesn't come within our lifetime. I plan on remaining civil, without the thought that I'm being ruled.

[Malinne]

As a friend or not, Fooser is innocent. Biased? No. I will not always testify for friends. If I think they actually did something, I won't back them up, as difficult as that would be. As anyone else, I could be wrong, but seeing as there is no definite evidence proving his guilt, I will stand by my belief. Perhaps there are no liars, but nobody who really knows.

[Grant Herion]

hm... Fooser has never taught me anything and by implying that is like a slap in the face. Fooser is in many ways an idiot and sense he can barely cast a successful flame, I would not call him a teacher. Also, I rarely ever do flames in town, I do my own shrines in the forests.

[Dyluck]

I really hope you actually read everything and really think about it, instead of just sighing.

I know punishment hasn't been dealt and most of these... suspects are not yet guilty. However, it does make them look bad whether they are guilty or not. There are many people in town now that believe that they are guilty without a doubt. It's too bad that people who might fight for them happen to never be around, including me.
Perhaps they are not guilty but they are accused and that's bad enough to ruin one's reputation as I have seen happen before... I just don't want that to happen here.

Why do many people believe certain others are criminals so easily? Do you think their reputation has something to do with it? And whose fault might it be that they have a bad reputation?

I am little bitter, but only for my own personal reasons that I had already requested that Lyrenzia keep out of, and I'm not taking that out on anybody.

Keep out of what?
Casting flames in the town matter to us and every law abiding citizen of the town.
If you get mugged in a dark alley and you don't want to ask for help, then don't ask us and we won't step in.

Fooser is basically an innocent in my eyes because I have seen real punishable offenses occur. This is just ridiculous. If I'm calling everyone else a liar, then so be it. I guess my definition of crime just varies from all of yours making me reject this Lyrenzia government even more.

Why don't you ever report these crimes then? You want Lyrenzia to keep out and yet you complain that they don't do anything about the crimes you see. Who's fault is it that you decide not to report crimes?

I'd like to add that the only person I say is innocent is Fooser. He is criminal according to Lyrenzia, and the whole thing was just a little one-sided. I guess it's better to punish an innocent rather than set a criminal free. That's fair.

Are you saying that Mishrack, Roke, Moathia, Crosis, Ezorock, and all those that saw him burn Silverstar are all liars?
Or do you think it's justified to burn someone's property because you don't agree with them? If you don't agree with Lyrenzia does that mean that it's alright for me to go and burn your house now?

Fair... Well in every case we'll always have a liar. Who's to say it will always be the accused? Not every case will be fair, but don't establish that it will always be unfair.

Good question. What's your point?
Did Lyrenzia say the accused is always the liar? I don't recall that.
So just who or what exactly are you complaining about?

Do you think for a moment that maybe you're the one not being fair? You've already judged Fooser to be innocent of this charge, and his previous case of burning Silverstar without even taking the testimony of all those people into consideration. Don't you think you're the one being biased and unfair because you already made your judgement so quickly on this case, while the rest of us in Lyreniza are still evaluating all the testimony?

I simply do not like the idea of being governed in even the slightest of ways. I can make good judgments for myself without causing grief to everyone else and I'd rather not let Lyrenzia decide that for me.

Then don't complain that we aren't doing anything about the crimes that YOU see, because YOU refuse to ask us to.

Everyone seems so sure of everything, so do whatever you want to do

I have to say that's a bit ironic, considering you're the only who is so sure that Fooser is innocent, while the rest of us haven't made a judgment yet.

As anyone else, I could be wrong, but seeing as there is no definite evidence proving his guilt, I will stand by my belief. Perhaps there are no liars, but nobody who really knows.

This definate evidence you speak of... how can we ever get this? The power of the gods to be omnicient? Well, we don't have that. Everyday everyone has to make judgments about things all around them without having "definite evidence"

If I saw you attacking someone like Gloran, how could you ever prove to me that you were doing it justly? Should I just stand by and watch what could be an innocent person being murdered? Or should I stop you who is seemingly the criminal because I see no proof of otherwise?

If I saw Gloran attacking you, how would I know if you didn't deserve it?
Should I never lend a hand and always stand by and do nothing while someone is being slaughtered because I have no proof?

So you see, when it comes down to it, I have to judge for myself whether I believe you or Gloran, and evaluate each of your reputations and testimoney, and the testimony of other people.
So does Lyrenzia, and so does everyone else around you.

I don't see how you can complain about Lyreniza unless you tell me that you never make a call of judgement yourself when you see a crime.

How is this more unjust than what you and I and everyone else do as an individual everyday? Because all involved parties now have a chance to write down their side of the story for everyone to see?

You are against Lyreniza because of what? Because we make judgments and punish people that we think are criminal? Well you do those things too, so don't you think you're contradicting yourself?

I would also like to point out that the person who sent the report barely speaks my language. He dosen't know what he is talking about. All these witnesses either saw me near a crime scene or heard from someone else, which is not reliable at all. If you are going to suggest that seeing people near a crime is good evidence, then you are going to have MAJOR problems. You have no case whatsoever. And if you had any knowledge of my fighting preferences, then you would know that I hate red skeletons, and they would probably kill me, so what are the odds of me bringing them all the way into town?

Right, and who said it was good evidence?
Do you think that seeing someone repeatedly near crime scenes isn't even worth mentioning, or that past crime records are never used against the accused?. Obviously it isn't conclusive evidence that guarantees anything but obviously it's something that would be used against you. It isn't conclusive evidence, but if there was such a thing anyways, why would we even need a trial? We might as well just say you're guilty right away then.

Of course, the smart thing to do would probably try to give a good explanation as to why they are always near the crime scene instead of always just bickering.

Anyways, these are the testimonies where someone claims to have seen you. And keep in mind I never said anything about the value of these testimonies yet.

7)I met Fooser in the library, he was just casting and told me"Keep your distance, the others will recognise soon what i am doing here".
Drathe approached and i prevented him to stop Fooser as i did with Mishrack and explained my plan to him.

The field of Crosis Smallburrow was burned yesterday and a dwarf who was standing near told Damien and me, that it was Fooser

And this might be just a little suspcious....

Half of this stuff was from two weeks ago.

[Alnerith Dencort]

Ha caught in the act! Hagen actually was with me when i "desecrated" the altar in the dwarven town and he "pissed on the altar" and prayed to moshran. i think of these things as impersonating or mocking a religion and think that he should become aware that he will not become very popular that way. And he has been trying persuade me to make some testifications against people i have seen worshiping moshran. Like an orc i saw AWAY FROM TOWN liting a fire and doing a dance to moshran.

would like to take this time to say the I have never brought animals into town!! that is a lie. i have thought infact lit one of the silver brand tables on fire and a couple of other random fires around town. And of liting the altar of the dwarven town into an altar of moshran. i plead guilty of casting the fires. not anything else that i am "ACCUSED" of doing and none of which are true.

[Malinne]

Gee Dyluck, you sure have a lot to say. I'm bored with arguing with you. You seem to know best and there is no arguing that. You do what you think is right. I will do what I think is right. I refuse to follow Lyrenzia, though do not take that as I am going to break the laws either. As you could have noticed, I did change some of my thoughts as I looked into this more. Damien shared some good words that made me think. I am withdrawing calling anybody a liar. I just don't think anybody knows for sure. These are respectable people yes, but that doesn't mean they are always right.

I no longer have any respect for you.

[Gro'bul]

alnerith,worshiping moshran is not against the law.

~~Avrillon~~

[Gigasha]

Gigasha, with the help of another friend, reads the trial script, or has them interepreted for her, finding many irrelevant to the case, until testimony given by a mischevious Elf, catches her interest.

With permission, Headmaster, me would like to bring two points to courts attention.
This person says

Í have indeed witnessed what Hagen upholds me to have, and am willing to testify in that effect.

Me first point being, "Yeah, what he said." cannot be counted as testimony.
Details of crimes, including who was presnt, not just the accused, were thems others? All these things you only know after tell story.

Which bringing me to point two.

These words were spoken by Alnerith Dencourt.

Ha caught in the act! Hagen actually was with me when i "desecrated" the altar in the dwarven town and he "pissed on the altar" and prayed to moshran. i think of these things as impersonating or mocking a religion and think that he should become aware that he will not become very popular that way. And he has been trying persuade me to make some testifications against people i have seen worshiping moshran. Like an orc i saw AWAY FROM TOWN liting a fire and doing a dance to moshran.

This show true agenda ((predisposition)) of Von Rabenfield toward Worship of Moshran. If, what Elf say is true, the "defecation" of altar speaks of Von Rabenfields heart ((character)).

[Dyluck]

Malinne, it's too bad that you're taking this the wrong way.
Why are you now offended now just because I take the time to make this discussion with you?
If you think what I said is wrong, then why don't you argue it with logic if it makes sense to you? Why don't you answer some of my questions then?
Did you even read everything?

There's no saying who's wrong or right when it comes to opinon, but you haven't even bothered to read or argue to the point where it is about a difference of opinon.

1.Your problem with Lyrenzia is that we judge and execute criminals, right?
2.But you judge and execute criminals yourself too right?
3.So that means you and Lyrenzia are doing the same things, right?

If the conclusion is false, then can you tell me which of those points aren't true and explain why it isn't true?


I never said that they are always right, but that does mean people shouldn't make judgments any more? Lyrenzia makes judgements, I make judgements, and you make judgements, so just WHAT is your complaint?

[Roke]

Lyrenzia executes criminals? I thought they just exiled them or put them in jail.

[Cain Freemont]

Cain Freemont writes a letter, trying in his own way to solve the issue at hand.

To whom it may concern,

In general, I do not like the concept of one central government dictating all what the people can do. I never have liked it and probably never will. The fact remains that though I disagree, I still abide by laws of the town that I was taught when arriving here for the first time.

I shall not change based on what a government that came from no where has to say. If I find the change to be promising, then most likely I shall change. Most of us say this about ourselves, most mean it, but fail to do so. Some don't mean it when they say it, and thus fail to do so. And others have no opinion. It sounds to me somewhat like these people are being judged because they protest Lyrenzia. I sincerely hope this does not happen to me.

Fooser is a little over the top at times, but otherwise good natured. I do not believe him to be a criminal and after reading all this, I still do not believe. I am certain that even though I am more often than not a credible person, I shall not be fully heard. This is the way life is for those who protest what the masses believe. They are ousted from society in not a physical means necessarily, but coldness sweeps over the attitudes of those who are "righteous" in their ways. I will vouch for Fooser based on what I have read here. Whether or not you believe it to be biased is your problem and is of no concern to me.

Sometimes I wonder if Dyluck evalutates everyone's testimonies, rather than just that of his colleagues and friends. Even the most worthy adversary can be credible in his words.. I learned this long ago. Then I think, "Dyluck is typically a pretty fair guy. I'm sure he wouldn't just call someone out to be guilty based on town reputations." But I have been fooled before... and people in general are mostly biased... it is the way of society; striking others down so that one may attain a higher level of social feats, whom are later stricken down by people wishing for the same goals. I'm tired of it all.

Malinne has a point you know. Dyluck sure had a lot to say a moment ago. I bet it feels good for him to say so much about a meager matter such as what is going on. It feels good for most people to try and bring others down and prove people wrong, even if they are right. This is how society works.

Fooser never killed anyone in that burning, and the fire was meager, so it sounds. Little damage is done, let us get on with our lives. Let it slide Lyrenzia. Fooser has as much a right to protest as you obviously have to make your laws out of no where. Sometimes protests are over the top, thus resulting in more an effect than desired. These things happen, it is not a reason to reprimand someone.

Many of you have said on this thread that no one is defending Fooser. Well here we are. Malinne started this wave. She has more bravery and prowess than a hundred warriors. I feel the ability to speak my mind in this matter is easier now that I have read Malinne's words.

It sounds to me as though people are trying to find a way to remove Fooser, because he is different from common society. It seems Lyrenzia is doing that at this time and frankly it angers me. So Fooser is different, is this bad? Perhaps bad for Lyrenzia, since at this time it sounds like they would love a bunch of mindless automatons to do their bidding.

Fooser is innocent as can be, though his protesting was a bit aggressive. Let us leave it at that and be on with our lives. This is not a matter that should be argued over. Please hear my words as advice, rather than as despise.

Yours truly,
Cain S. Freemont

Cain finishes and reviews it. Satisfied by the contents, Cain posts his letter to all who read it.

[Mishrack]

Some good points, yet I still do not believe Fooser should be let off the hook. He has caused massive dammage to our shop, which will be very costly to repair, and still refuses to pay anything. He is greatly hurting our guild, and you are saying that Lyrenzia is overreacting in it's prosecution of him?

[Cain Freemont]

Cain posts a much less lengthy message:

Many a time I have passed by the Silverstar Shop, Mishrack. And with all due respect to you, I do not find the damage to be quite as severe as you make it out to be. Yes, there are scorchings, but the shop still stands firm. He shall stay in the bounds of innocence in my eyes, though it matters not to any member of Lyrenzia. That much I am certain. I will find it unjust to punish him for his actions and Lyrenzia will lose a hefty deal of respect from me. It is not a threat, but rather a fortelling of what will result. If money is such a hefty issue, I shall pay for the costs... money means nothing to me anyway.

Yours,
Cain Freemont

[Malinne]

Lyrenzia and I are not the same thing. I only judge people who have wronged me and even then it is not really judgment but a development of mistrust and I try to avoid more trouble... I don't have the power to execute people. I try to clear up problems before I decide to take revenge if I feel it is necessary, or if I have thet ability without getting too many people involved. I don't like the thought of Lyrenzia having the ability to execute people, I didn't even realize this...

There, I'm answering questions. I am offended now because this became so personal. I didn't realize how much effort you would put into making me feel wrong. I don't feel like I am wrong and I still believe in what I believed in this whole time, no matter what grief it has caused me thus far. This justice system is all too biased not because of the establishment itself, but how open this establishment is to the flaw.

Like I told you, Dyluck, I will talk to Fooser about getting the money to the Silverstar Merchants to pay for the damages. He isn't a very wealthy lizardman...

[Dyluck]

Dear Cain Freemont,

Have you noticed that the only ones on this thread who called Lyreniza a government here are you, Malinne, and Fooser? I'm sorry to sound harsh, but I use the preceeding point to support my claim that most of those who are "against" Lyreniza are narrow-minded and refuse to look at Lyreniza's position from a less biased point of view.

I've said this a million times by now, and I'll say it until someone gives a logical argument that proves it is untrue. You and everyone else who accuses Lyrenzia of what we do, are doing the very same things yourself.

You say Lyrenzia acts like a government and dictates what all the people can do? This can be theoretically true, but then you would be a hypocrite.

How does Lyrenzia dictate what people can do? Let's take a closer look.

1. Law-Lyrenzia has a set of laws which it will uphold, enforce, and punish against anyone who breaks them.

-You (or any other individual) have also made a set of laws. Except your law isn't written down clearly for all to see, so nobody can be fully sure when they have broken your law. Your law is in your mind only and you alone know EXACTLY what is right and wrong to you. When you see a theif murdering and stealing a poor old woman's money, do you step in and help? When you do so, are you not dictating your law on the supposed murderer and theif?

So how is Lyrenzia less justified than you here?

2. Judgment-Lyrenzia judges those who are accused of breaking its laws. It holds a trial when a victim asks for a trial for crimes where they are the victim, or when someone is accused of a crime that is against the town (ie towncasting). Judgement is based on the value of what is said, and the credibility of those who say it.

-You (or any other individual) also make judgment. If you saw someone like Dunthor or Gloran attacking someone on the street, do you not make a judgment about whether you will step in? Are you going to make a judgment about whether or not his attack is just or injust? If you don't stop Gloran, an innocent person might die. If you stop Gloran, what's to say the person who gets away wasn't a theif who just stole Gloran's life savings? So you'll end up making a judgment about whether or not to step in. There's no alternative after all. And what will your judgment be based on? Are you more likely to believe Gloran is making an injust attack if you heard so many other people who claimed that Gloran unjustly attacked them before? Your judgement is also on the spot. If you choose to step in, you don't wait and justify your actions in front of everyone on the board first where everyone can see all sides of the argument before you step in, do you?

So how is Lyreniza less justified than you when it comes to judgement?

It seems to me that Lyreniza's actions are just as justified as your actions or every other individual, if not even more justified.
If you don't agree, I'm more than happy to hear a logical argument from you, instead of trying to insult me again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Two things I disagree about:
Fooser burned someone's property with a huge magic fire, and you say the damage isn't severe enough that he shouldn't be punished?
I'm afraid that if someday Fooser stabs me with a dagger, someone will say "That's not a very deep wound" or another day "He only killed 1 person"

If you say that people, who break the laws that are our basic standards of living, are just "different" and therefore dont' need to be punished, then I certainly don't agree. Someone who murders children are just "different"? People who steal and burn other people's houses are just "different"?

[Dyluck]

Lyrenzia and I are not the same thing. I only judge people who have wronged me and even then it is not really judgment but a development of mistrust and I try to avoid more trouble... I don't have the power to execute people. I try to clear up problems before I decide to take revenge if I feel it is necessary, or if I have thet ability without getting too many people involved.

Dear Malinne,

Do you never judge people who have wronged your friends? I believe that you have, and so have I. Do you remember the time a halfling stole 4 silver ingots from you and I went and got it back for you? Did I do an injustice then because I decided to make judgment about someone that my friend claimed she was wronged by? Well I believe every single person should have the opportunity to seek my help if they have been wronged. Not only myself or my friends should have this chance, but everyone should have an equal chance.

You said you try to clear up problems before you decide if it's necessary to take revenge. Do you think that perhaps the victims of crimes also tried this before they decided to seek Lyrenzia's help?

If you take revenge, you said you will try and see if you have the ability to do it without getting too many people involved. What if you don't have that ability? Will you just leave the criminal unpuished and get away with your money? If you want to let it go that's fine, but there are other people out there who are victims of crimes who want to get back their losses and punish the law breakers. Is it wrong for Lyrenzia to be there to help those who don't have the ability to seek "revenge" themselves? Maybe you can let it go if someone murders or steals from you, but it is wrong if other people to ask for justice for crimes that were commited against them?

[Caranthir the great]

Surely, Cain and Malinne, you are willing to pay the for the 'minimal' damage caused to our shop. No? That kind of damage should be cheap, right? Well take another guess! The shop floors were dry wood basically all of them suffered in the fire, they need to be replaced.
Roke's estimation was 25 silvers, which will be fully taken from our wallet since your innoncent troublemaker refused to pay the 12 silvers we asked.

Oh, and yet another thing:

I pleade Guilty to any charges, and will pay damages to the silverstar shop in whatever currency I have. I choose exile from the town, where I will remain north of town borders. I have pleased guilty within the first two days, meaning the term is cut to around 4 days I believe. Anyone who attacks me during my exile time, while I am outside town limits will be remembered and revenged.
Signs his name

It is good to remember that you do not concider burning down a house as crime, Cain.

[Thereadore]

Ssstrange, but I do not sssee any chargesss under this ssssixth trial for damage to your ssshop.

Wasssn't that already tried in another trial? That hasss nothing that I sssee to do with thisss cassse except to set precidence.

Even if Foossser is guilty of all that wassss said he hasss done in *this* trial, I do not ssssee how the punissshment for him could be that great asss no harm wasss done to anyone.

Asss from what I can sssee the only thing that ssshould happen to foossser in thisss trial ssshould be a ssslap on the wrisst, wouldn't it be mossst expiedient to jussst sssay if he pleadsss guilty he will get a token punissshment, but the next time sssomething like thisss happensss he won't.

Obvoiusssly you would not exile ssssomeone for cassting in town twice, unless you were truely tirantsss. And ssso you can move away from the pointlessss dissscussion of Foossser and move on to the other peoplesss.

[Albernon]

Obviously some people are having a personal discussion about the outcome of a previous trial. Nobody said that it would bear relavant evidence to THIS trial.

IF Fooser was guilty of the charges in THIS trial, how can you say he only deserves a slap on the wrist? Why should he deserve less punishment than the others and not recieve the same punishment that is listed with the laws?

[Caranthir the great]

I was merely referring to the fact, that Malinne, in my opinion, held Fooser innoncent to any crimes at all. Even thought Fooser himself admitted it, now that is biased.

[Roke]

yes, 25 ingots. Although, the people who we bought the supplies from said they didn't want the money for some bizarre reason. We have, instead decided to donate it to a worthy cause, in our oppinion. And Caranthir, although you are a good friend you are not a worthy cause

Roke grins at Caranthir

[Cain Freemont]

Cain writes in a frustrated manner, the signs on the paper slightly crooked and uneven:

I'm sick of this, so sick of all of it. The responses I have received only goes to prove that you can't argue with any form of government and even consider winning with such a council. (Yes, Dyluck. This is a form of government. I don't care if I am the only one saying it.) Time and time again I have tried to show people of "power" the side that is true, and I have in some cases supported these people. However, it is clear to me that this is mere childs play; useless goings on about false abilities to change what other people think.

Don't you even talk about "narrow-minded" people Dyluck, for you are the most narrow-minded of all. Not once in your entire spiel of ranting did you say that it is possible Fooser is innocent. Talk about narrow-minded. Such a pathetic land in which we live if we cannot stand up for innocence, that it should be smitten down by the synthetic power of some "omniscient" government. If you are not biased, then you're a poor judge of character. Anyone can pick out criminals like Dunthor and Gloran, yet not one person has been proven innocent in any of these cases thus far. So why bother anymore? You'll just find the next one guilty, and the next, and the next, and so on and so forth.
You're right Lyrenzia, you know all and the people who tell you others are guilty are the ones telling the truth, not anyone else. The town will eventually die like this, but fear not, you'll have ridden yourself of the criminals. Such vile beasts we are, no?

Better put me on trial too, since I cast a few spells in town about a year back. Better lock me away like the rest of the people who express themselves. We're bad people, people who can make others think about what's really going on. Are there any witnesses for the "Crime" of which I speak? Not likely, but you don't need them, you've got yourselves. Make up some witnesses, that should work.

I'm tired of all these governments and guilds trying to make things right with the crime, when they really change nothing except anger people by their methods. I'm going to finish this letter now. At least now I know that my theory was correct, that no matter who it is, their ideas will be shot down by narrow-minded people.

~Cain Freemont

Cain walks off angrily.

[Caranthir the great]

At least now I know that my theory was correct, that no matter who it is, their ideas will be shot down by narrow-minded people.

Are we not people too? Aren't you shooting our ideas down?
Now you are being unfair yourself, you disagree with us, yet we are not moaning about you trying to shoot OUR opinion down.

I'm tired of all these governments and guilds trying to make things right with the crime, when they really change nothing except anger people by their methods.

Who are 'people'?

Better lock me away like the rest of the people who express themselves.

Cain, what the hell are you rambling? Who have we locked up?
If expressing yourself includes endangering or hurting others and/or their property, then yes. But name people outside Gloran Basilio and Dunthor that have been 'Locked away'? Fooser chose exile, no-one else is according to my memory been 'locked away', your argument is nonsense in its finest. Cut the melodrama, please.

yet not one person has been proven innocent in any of these cases thus far. So why bother anymore? You'll just find the next one guilty, and the next, and the next, and so on and so forth.

No system is perfect, how many trials have we had? 6? In one case all charges were withdrawn, so no-one was punished. Two of the cases were against Dunthor or Gloran who were both found 'guilty'. One was against Halfling known as Athin(case still open). Then is Silverstar vs. Fooser and now this.
Here are all, one exiled and two inprisoned. Exiled plead guilty, if you want to argue about the thrthfulness of the verdict against Gloran and Dunthor, go ahead, but I think that locking them up is only good.

-Caranthir.

[Fooser]

(note: All "()" from here on will be in IC)

Cain, I sense the frustration in your words, and It is very frustrating listening to obnoxious people, and not being able to do much about it. Dyluck, people who go against Lyrenzia are more OPEN-minded that you will ever be able to know. And half....actually all the judges have an outside reason to bicker about me, so they will all vote guilty no matter what. For Caranthirs problem: Where did I refuse to pay? Roke told me to see Mishrack and I have not seen him around, and you turning it into a huge problem.

Now I think I have a mere chance to prove that this monster luring thing is a pile of crap. I am guessing this has to do with the red skeletons in the shop(the big shop im also assuming). I know it was red skeletons in the shop because Hagen mentioned it, not because I did it. First off, Red Skeletons would kill me. What do you say about that? I cannot make monsters come from thin air, so I will also assume that they came from the spider cave, correct? The amount of effort and danger put into doing something like that is ridiculous, and would be needed to be done by someone much more craft than myself. I would have to dodge spiders and get the demon skeletons onto the surface then go back up the ladder myself. During all this time I would be getting hit by the skeletons and spiders. I would not be able to do anything like this. I would have to do all of that, THEN lure them into town(specifically the shop because thats what Hagen said), without A SINGLE PERSON seeing me. This charge is ridiculous, and I have NO IDEA where hagen got this from. Not a single witness can truthfully tell you I am responsible, or was even near the incident(and none have so far). If you have any decency left, you will see I am not capable of something like this

[Gigasha]

Now if that does not back up what Hagen has accued at least Grant and Bloodhearte off, then I do not know what will. It is yet more evidence that they are murderers, committing common ritual murdering, using dangerouse and evil artifacts with intent to kill, cause injury and gain power.

This testimony of the human Drathe be irrelevant, as "using a mirror" is not what anyone be charged with. If victim ((Viola)) felt violated, why is she not testify?

The testimony of the one called DAmien, is purely based upon circumstance.

ME is keeping track of what going on here. Thus far me see 1 page of VERY flimsy evidence, and 5 pages of senseless arguing 'bout this and that.

Once again, me point out that Hagen Von RAbenfield, has personal reason
to slander and defame Blackstone and its members, which is evedenced by the testimony of the accused Alnerith Dencourt.

ONCE again, me move that this be declared mistrial.

Me make valid points all through this trial.

[Bloodhearte]

Fools, bloody damn fools, in my opinion...

Has anybody ever stopped to think that, perhaps, the flames were floating off the ground to some extent? That's how I do my fires...they don't necessarily touch the ground on the space they're occupying.

If Viola felt violated, in some way, let her speak for herself.

I have my own laws, and I'm sure many of my followers do. We'll still use the town, whether you like it or not Lyrenzia! Take your silly 'walls' for instance. I'm in, and now I'm out. I'm in, and out, in and...

((I'm a little discouraged by the mix of OOC with in-game. When you cast magical fires, there is no visible, in game damage to anything. Yet, you have to pay in-game ingots to pay for the RP damage...that's like slapping a tax on those who cast in town. Now, there's 'Exile' for those who don't wish to pay this 'tax.' Hm...))