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Anyways, the purpose of SMACC was to regulate the selling price so the ones selling could get more profit, we never said that we will not buy things for lower prices, everybody wants to buy for lower prices. That would not have worked and it still does not work today, because there will forever be people who will buy for low prices, so the ones who don't buy them, then it's their loss.

Exactly.
Actually, I did until few months ago buy with high prices, but then I got tired of it, since people were actually getting it much cheaper than I so that was out of my wallet basically.

(One of the reasons was also that I never saw anyone else doing that. And I am supposed to be greedy, hrmpf.)

It is very, very easy to condemn and complain about the decidions made by others. I do what profits me now, as long as the community doesnt want to help itself, I am not going to help it.

Instead of moaning of what is done, Lennier, YE start to plan something very constructive and great to aide this matter. I'll side ye for sure, if ye actually come up with anything.

Yes... If there is nobody who wants to pay more, the prices will be low for ever. Only if there are some, who follow the ideal of Smacc, they want to pay more than others, the situation can be changed.
I m the only person who want to follows the ideology of Smacc? - I don`t think so. But until this moment, i thought there are more persons who want the same too....

It doesn`t need SMACC! It doesn`t need a law, which says "follow me!" It needs people, who have the right attitude, who want to change the situation by their own opinion, by their own doing. It needs people who can say "No, i don`t buy or sell for dumping prices!"

In my opinion a merchant, who sells his good for a good price in only few times, he doesn`t never more want to trade for a lower price.

You want people to say "I won't sell for dumping prices"? Maybe people may do that, to make more money.

You want people to say "I won't buy for dumpnig prices"? Never. There will always be people who want to buy for cheap prices. Why would they want to situation to change? So they can pay more money? Hah! What matters is the profit, and SMACC benefits when you are selling, not when you are buying. If the prices stay cheap, then that's good for the buyers.

I am the buyer, so SMACC prices brings me no benefit. It is not my concern to help SMACC at this current point in time. If you want SMACC to work, get the ones selling to co-operate with you. It is naive to think that you can get the buyers to co-operate when it is not to their benefit.

Ok, now, i will stop here. There is no short way to solut the discussion, it`s the wrong place too.


But, an example in the end:

If anyone buys the bottles for dumping price like 1 Gold, a other producer of bottles, who buys the necessary raw materials and sells his bottles for 4-5 Gold, he never can get a chance for his business. If he has no chance, he cannot buy his raw materials. The producers of them will have no chance too. The trade will has no chance.

The only way to change this situation is to subsidize the "good" producers who promote the trade.

I thought that you, who know this dilemma, who are against dumping prices too, that you are for the "good" procducers and merchants, for the trade. I thought, that you avoid dumping prices and their "dealers". But, i had to learn, that is wrong. You are only for your own profit. The maximally profit is your ideal, not the fairness for all.

You only will follow if there is a officially law. If there is no law, you want to do nothing, because it`s easier.

Lennier,
Noble Knight and Trademaster of the Grey Rose

If anyone buys the bottles for dumping price like 1 Gold, a other producer of bottles, who buys the necessary raw materials and sells his bottles for 4-5 Gold, he never can get a chance for his business. If he has no chance, he cannot buy his raw materials. The producers of them will have no chance too. The trade will has no chance.

That is just generalizing the example for yer own purpose.

Ye are clearly just exaggerating the 'problem'.
For instance me buying these 200 bottles does not by any way mean that I would demand in future all bottles to be sold to me at one goldpiece, no!
If the person who ye tried to sell yer bottles wants them one piece each, try the next person instead. The prices will go up and down. There is nothing that ye, me or anyone can do about it.
Fairness off all? Now ye are just being hippocrite, as Dyluck already made clear, how is SMACC fair to him? Also ye might ask yerself why I haven't bought my bottles from Drogla, for instance who sells them 1 gp each all the time. If I were as cruel, selfish and mean as ye claim me to be, wouldn't I 'exploit' this dumping price all the time? No. I have never bought bottles from him. Instead I have bought bottles from various merchants who sell them at 3-5 goldpieces each. I just happened to need few bottles and this offer came into good time. If I were not to use it, someone else would.
One of the basics of mercantilism is to buy low and sell high.

You are only for your own profit.

Most merchants are for their own profit, but ye just refuse to see that we do buy with also higher (And me mostly) prices.

Aside throwing even more accusations of our selfism and unfairness ye still have not come up with any real solution to this problem.
Support the 'Good' merchants, If we do not buy from those who sell low, someone else is going to do that. And how do ye define good? Ye seem to be very convinced that me and Dyluck are evil merchants. Seeing that in my opinion I have done equally as much for SMACC than ye have, I can only feel sad of what ye have said.

Yers, Caranthir.

Lennier wrote:
I thought that you, who know this dilemma, who are against dumping prices too, that you are for the "good" procducers and merchants, for the trade. I thought, that you avoid dumping prices and their "dealers". But, i had to learn, that is wrong. You are only for your own profit. The maximally profit is your ideal, not the fairness for all.

Correct. As the buyer, what is important to me is to make a profit or get a benefit from the deal. As the buyer, I don't care about the other merchants, nor can I help them by not buying cheap wares, because if I don't buy them, someone else will and that is a reality that will never change. If the ones selling don't want to co-operate for themselves, that's their problem, not mine. Promoting merchants to sell by SMACC prices is an extra thing that I may do for the sake of others, but it does not mean I will stop buying for low prices. There will forever be people buying for low prices.


I also think you should be more familiar with Moyave than I am? Perhaps you may want to rethink about this situation and who may be the ones that are pleasing her.

Ich habe nun weitere 1000 Flaschen zu verkaufen, die Bedingungen bleiben die selben wie beim letzten Mal, mit dem Unterschied, dass nun Bestellungen per Brieftaube möglich sind.

Moyáve


I have another 1000 bottles for sale, the conditions for buying stay the same, with the difference that it is now possible to order per letter pigeon.

Moyáve

Rhanseus wackelt am Brett vorbei, liesst die Ausschreibung und ihm wird bewusst warum keiner seine Asche kauft

Moyave, ich schenk dir meine Asche, will sowieso keiner, also melde dich mal, sind so 500 Beutel

Rhanseus kritzelt die Nachricht darunter und geht wieder

Dival geht am Brett vorbei sieht das Angebot Rhanseus und denkt sich was nützt Asche ohne Quarzsand .

Ich lege hiermit noch 500 Quarzsand dazu und bestelle auch 200 Flaschen .

Gezeichnet

Dival

Rhanseus sieht die Nachricht von Dival und kritzelt darunter

stimmt, hätt sogar um die 3000 Sand, den will zwar auch keiner aber ich bau mir mal eine Burg daraus...

Rhanseus lacht und geht weiter

Ich danke euch für die Spenden, Rhanseus und Dival.

3 Personen haben bereits Flaschen bestellt, damit sind noch 400 Flaschen übrig.
Folgende Personen haben ihre bestellten Flaschen noch nicht erhalten:
1. Albernon

Ich bitte darum mit mir Kontakt aufzunehmen um ein Treffen zu vereinbaren.

Moyáve

Klasse Aktion Moyáve. Ich finde die Idee irgentwie gut, auf legale Weiße Illarion durcheinander zu bringen. Ich glaube ihr sehts niemals ein. Mal sehen was so passiert. Zum Glück habe ich noch genug gespart. Wie lange soll die Aktion noch dauern.

Sie dauert so lange bis mir das ganze keine Freude mehr bereitet, mich davon abhalten zu wollen ist so sinnlos wie einem Drachen ein Glas Wasser anzubieten.
Wenn ihr euch in einer Form also beteiligen wollt, nur zu

Moyáve

Dear Moyave, I will try to find you and buy the bottles as soon as possible.

Avaloner geht am schwarzen Brett vorbei und sieht durch zufall das hier ausgehängte Angebot, was ihm allerdings schon bekannt ist.

Ich wollte darauf hinweisen das jeder , der sich aufregt lieber den Spruch " Die Gedanken und der Markt müssen frei sein" einprägen sollte.
Übrigens sind jegliche Versuche Moyáve von ihren Geschäften abzuhalten
sehr erfolglos , ich weiß es aus eigenen Ehrfahrungen..

Avaloner geht mit einem Grinsen vondannen.