Yes, Dyluck meant it in a different way than some people are taking it here. I think it is a good term suited for the Magic Academy's higher rank.
@Sir Crystal Star:
Nobody is forcing you to join the Magic Academy and attain that rank! People dont go around yelling "I am a Warlock" anyway. I have never heard that term mentioned in the game.
LOL
sir crystal star, are you serious? i mean -- wicca might be an official religion in some countries (to be honest, i do not care about that) and "warlock" obviously means something like an oathbreaker to wicca-fellows. however, there is no law in any country of the entire world which forbids using the term "warlock". if so, well, there would be a wide field for lawyers to act: google finds about 150000 hits for this word and it is widely used in a lot of games, online and offline. it might be offending against a member of wicca if it is meant that way. "this is fucking, boy" migh sound offending too -- but in fact there is a little village in austria called "fucking", so this sentence could also mean that you currently are in that village (this is true!).
you won't find a law which prohibies using the word "warlock", i believe that until proven wrong. what you do here is just stupid, but it doesn't surprise me too much. i can just recommend that you leave illarion, i think that would be the perfect solution for both of us: the illarion-players and you.
Buuu im a taliban to me you are worth shit.
Muslim(dont know if its called that in english) is a legaly religion too. And to some muslims called talibans people with another faith is worth nothing but shit.
If you think that the word Warlock is a racist word.. pcch
Too me as a taliban all of you are racists then.. cause you dont got my beliefs!
(dont know if you understand what im saying here )
Sir Crystal Star,
The definition of "Warlock" seems to vary greatly.
During medieval times, it has been used by christian beliefs. Since in that time, all "magic" was bad, wicca were tjought to be satanists and such, just because they had another religion. Sure in that times, the word "Warlock" got a negative touch since them.
I do not know the definition of "Warlock" in wiccan ways. I myself know two to three people who follow wiccan ways, one of them has quite an old copy of the book "Witchhammer" at home. This is a book the inquisition used, as far as i know.
It would be a great help if you can post the exact definition of "warlock", and the source you know it from.
Since this game is fantasy, and has nothing to do with reality itself, the illarion-definition of "Warlock" means : "A mage with primary battle-oriented, destructive spells and who uses armor and weapons". We use the fantasy-definition of Warlock, not the medieval one.
Of course, in wiccan philosophy, that would not be a very honorable man with few wisdom, because he uses a great gift for destruction.
But in Illarion, a Warlock must not have "bad" motivations. Warlocks in illarion can use their fighting potential to a "good" goal, they do not pact with demons or unholy creatures.
If you have read our background story, you will find an own pantheon, with completely other gods than in other roleplay systems or reality.
The "bad" guys in Illarion are Necromancers or Demonic summoners, unnatural, perverted spellcasters or priests. Note that Nature Spirits are DIFFERENT beings than demons. From our background, demons are servants of a powerful evil being. Nature spirits, sure we dont have graphics for those, are not mentioned yet, but will have a more neutral role.
As you see, most players don't even know that "Warlock" is an insult in some definition. Since a fanatic cristian person would even call the game "illarion" a devil's work or so, just because we have put up a history background where multiple gods exist, those persons would call us all "Satanics" or "Witch" (that has been an insult too in christian-medieval times).
As you see, not the words make the insult. From the lips of a fanatic, many words can become an insult. Be sure that no christian fanatic would play illarion hehe... So the people you play with, are roleplayers. I myself knew some few people (from school a few years ago) who thought that roleplayers all are satanists and witchmasters, and who once called me a satanist and a witch (LOL). Some people, after that, who i thought to be "friendly neutral" and fun to be with from time to time, started rumors about me, daggers, dead cats and cemetaries hehe... you know, the whisper-in-your-back- stuff. Most did not know better, but that's people.
Be sure, noone here will call you a "satanist" just because you have chosen to follow a non-christian religion. And the "Warlock" in illarion is not meant as discrimination, or insult, it is in fact a total other meaning than in all real definitions. Most people here do not have that much prejudice, perhaps some, but they will learn with growing age.
You do not need to start "further actions" about this, it would be quite childish in fact. This game is an imaginary world, it is a kind of Art to roleplay well, and can be a lot of fun.
See ya in game, and lets teach the Tibia-powergamers some roleplay...
Dearie, I'll be the first to admit that I know little of Wicca, but what little I *do* know proclaims that it is a religion of tolerance and of being willing to accept that others come from
a different background of knowledge than you. Which isn't to say that they are less intelligent than you (which it rather blatantly seems that you assume) or vice versa. I'd also been led to believe that a fundament of the religion is that one does not go about insulting others or
calling them racist when they are clearly not. (I *don't* think it isn't a personal and deep insult when you call another a racist.)
Also, if you're just wanting attention, please find another way of doing it. This is tiresome.
I dont know what sir crystal star's problem is.. I'm wiccan myself and I'm not the least bit
offended by that rank title.. they do not mean it in a disrespectful way. Leave them alone. And as far as threatening the innocent people of illarion.. you better hope you dont threaten or attack any member of my tribe... or any of my friends for that matter, or you'll have a far bigger problem on your hands. Theres no need for me to tell you who those people are, but trust me.. if you mess with one of them.. you'll know =P
I see your point and yes you are right in some ways, but wrong in others.
You claim your wiccan, I won't state my belief's but I will say I am VERY well learned in the ways of Wicca for many years.
First off. The word might mean as you say, but how you have responded to it make you a walking contradiction. I hope you realize that.
Secondly "Witch" Is considered bad also.. matter of fact Warlock is compared with Sorcerer AND Witch. Here is proof.
Main Entry: war·lock
Pronunciation: -"läk
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English warloghe, from Old English w[AE]rloga one that breaks faith, the Devil, from w[AE]r faith, troth + -loga (from lEogan to lie); akin to Old English w[AE]r true —more at VERY, LIE
Date: 14th century
1 : a man practicing the black arts : SORCERER — compare WITCH
2 : CONJURER
NOW end this stupid argument.
If I called you a Fag you would probably take offense, in England people would call that a cigarette.
Interpert it how you like. If you not in the academy and if your not a worlock then it shouldn't concern you.
If your a true Wiccan as you say you would learn to look past it and not waste your energy.
Don't ruin other peoples fun by beig picky picky.
No insults or harm meant just trying to bring some sense and facts into the conversation.
sry dax but i havent read this yet but
@scs i think we know how to speak english and what most words mean... warlock or however u spell it is a male witch (jeez)
@SCS:
Stop running and face us!!! Everytime you get hept kelled (We had a reason, such as him casting fields on Sir Hope), you log off!!! Doesn't that make your life inconvenient? Next time, face us, we will hear you out, unless you do something bad...
People aren't attacking sir crystal star because of the warlock thing.
They're attacking him because he is always casting fields in town and pushing people in and attacking people and breaking game rules and other bad things.
Also he uses his characters interchangably and just yesterday i saw him log on with two of his characters at the same time. I don't know if Bror punished him for the first time he did that, but he's still doing it again, so I'm going to let everyone know who his other characters are just so they can take percautions.
living sunrise (elf)
Astrix (elf)
Both are characters with the number in the 3xxx range.
Sorry to OCC: But, born - if you ar watching? You will see that i'm not do as people say. Once i had a fight with Dyluck cus he backed out on a bet in game. So i was playing by the rules! i hade reason. I see that Dyluck is starting a war. Just now as was attacked ans kill for the 5 time. I think i'vwe payed my dues. When i was attack, i ran first then only stuck back with Yeg kel to give my self a chance to run. I would like the people hunnting me, if there going to continue, to please RPG it and make a go store. This silly, ' he did this and that is not rpg'. I understand you upset Dyluck. but please RPG it, your a good player and i know you can work it in to the game.
Aslo. I may have separate players, and by the rules there nothing wrong by that as for as i can tell.
Afrix: is a good two shose druid how hasn't attack andy one. but was attacked by 4611 elf
Living sunrise: also hasn't attack anyone. I cant give is position away
I know its no excuses, but I have had a spout of depression and couldn’t be bothered with much. So I lash out. Sorry to be so rude. I guess you would be a little messed up it you had be assaulted 2 times in a year and move house as many times and then find you have to move again!!!!! Grrrrr!!! SO I won’t be on line for a bit from the 15th of dec, moving and the phone cost 50 pounds of my no existent money to reconnect. So with out a phone and the fear of the outside world, you could say I feel a little down
I never backed out of the bet, its just that you were too afraid to bet more than 3 measly silvers after all my persuation.
And sir crystal star does break the rules. If you don't know them, then go read them. The first day i met him, after I killed sir crystal star in the fight, he logged on to living sunrise and afrix to try and kill me. And nowadays i often see two of his characters logged on at the same time. He breaks the rule of not keeping his characters seperate.
Anyone hunting you already has a good rpg reason, you've been burning up the town and attacking people ever since you came back to Illarion. Just a day or two ago you were saying obscene things to a lady and trying to rob her.
I'm getting bord of this. You've made your point and i've made mine! we could carry on for ever, but i wish no to. Do post if you wish but i will not anymore.
this is the curent dictionary defenistion of the word warlock. as to a religiouse obsenaty it really has no worth as hollywood has distored the term to its own ends. As praticing Pagan of the Heathen path, and with many friends who are both wiccan and other paths we find nothing offencive in the term
war·lock (wôrlk)
n.
A male witch, sorcerer, wizard, or demon.
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[Middle English warloghe, from Old English wrloga, oath-breaker : wr, pledge; see wr-o- in Indo-European Roots + -loga, liar (from logan, to lie. See leugh- in Indo-European Roots).]
as to other meanings of the word look it up on dictionary.com. it even has a medical referance that is used in Cancer.
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