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It doesn't make you hungry

You can either eat proper food and be healthy, or you can fill your stomach with rubbish and feel weaker.

That's the whole point of this suggestion.

If you want a better explanation, dig up my food suggestion.

I understood that so too, but this a posibility, that cookers earn money, too. In the Moment, its a very bad payed job.

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Ich verstehs auch so, jedoch sehe ich darin eine Möglichkeit, dass Köche dann auch was verdienen. Im Moment ist Koch ein sehr schlechtbezahlter Job.

I considered of course the amount that each meal fills the foodbar.

you would have to eat 20 apples to even your DoM after eating one strawberry cake .....


and once again: This system is to replace the old one where you could be POISONED by eating an apple. Now you eat one apple and your DoM is decreased by 0,34% (extreme case!!!)
Furthermore it promotes the importance of cooks.

So we can choose between the old system or this new one. You won´t get a system which simulates a REALLY BALANCED diet.


Just eat breads or sausages and you won´t be affected by this system... <_<

@Haedrian & Pharse

Fill your stomach indeed. 17 steaks / Cakes to fill the last 25% of the bar? Lets not be completely ridiculous. The least you can do is to make those values a bit more reasonable.. What is a hardworking person likely to eat in a day?

People are already forced to eat, and under this system the would be forced to buy cookfood for the full benefit. So let's not take it completely overboard and force them to eat truckloads of food in a day, for crying out loud.

You really know what you talking about In fact you have i eat 2 cakes to fill up your food bar from 0% to 100%.

Nitram

"High Quality" Food: Food that can only be made by skilled cooks.
-DoM raises by 1.5% in the range of 75-100%
-DoM raises by 3% in the range of 26-74%
-DoM raises by 5% in the range of 1-25%

Not that math has ever been my strongest area, 25 / 1,5 = 16,66 ~ 17 units. I was talking about the proposed system, silly man. Not how things are now.

EDIT:
To prove my leet math skills
The first 25% of DoM / 3 = 8,33..
The second 50% of DoM(with average food) / 1,5 = 33,33.. (!)
The second 50% of DoM (with good food) / 3 = 16,666
The third 25% of DoM / 1,5 = 16, 666

Is either ~42 Units of food to reach 100% from zero in the "good" case
OR ~59 Units of food in the "worse" case.

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Am I honestly the only one who finds this absolutely, totally, utterly, completely, unreasonable?

You do the advanced math, Nitters. You know how much stamina is decreased over time / due to actions. How much people would have to eat..

I only based the system on my first post, not everything is exactly the same. You have to eat around 14 cakes for one additional CONST point and again 26 to get the full benefit. But if you eat too much (so your foodbar is full nevertheless you eat) this will harm you.

So if one is able to eat high quality food over a long period of time, he will be rewarded. We don´t just give away our bonus points

Yeah, but stamina is also used for other things, such as natural healing. So it's not just your "bonus points".. The bar is actually important for some people, especially noob warriors (who unsurprisingly would be the ones to get worst shafted with this..)

Happy times to be a baker for sure, I'm just doubtful if they would be able to keep their own stamina in working condition..

If a n00b warrior fills up his foodbar 7 times with apples he looses one point on constitution by the new system. What is in face nearly nothing.

But in the current system our newbie has a good chance to die due the poinson after eating such a amount of apples.

Nitram

Mr. Cromwell wrote:Yeah, but stamina is also used for other things, such as natural healing. So it's not just your "bonus points".. The bar is actually important for some people, especially noob warriors (who unsurprisingly would be the ones to get worst shafted with this..)

Happy times to be a baker for sure, I'm just doubtful if they would be able to keep their own stamina in working condition..

I see, there's a misunderstanding

The food bar is NOT the DoM.

The food bar will STILL go up.

The food bar describes how hungry a person is, while the DoM describes how well his diet is.

If you eat 2 cakes, you'll get full.

If you eat a lot of cakes, bit by bit the DoM increases, and you get extra consitution points, as a 'BONUS' for eating well.

If you eat a lot of apples, your food bar STILL goes up, but you're eating rubbish, your DoM decreases and you take a penalty to the consitution (poor diet).

Understood?

I have read this and please tell me if I misunderstood, but this is a proposal to make chars have to buy food in order to be able to keep their stamina up? Making those with less coins have to build their skills in order to earn coin, or at least try to earn coin instead of RPing totally. If so, I wouldn't be too fond of it. This would encourage more skill gain then RP, at least as I see it.

No, its a proposal for those to buy food or else suffer a constitution penalty...

Const wont be used unless you plan on fighting.

If you just Rp totally (i have a char like that), and you eat just apples, he'll have -2 const, but a bit better then eating an apple and dying of poison.

Its also a chance to give cooks... some work.

Hadrian_Abela wrote:No, its a proposal for those to buy food or else suffer a constitution penalty...

Const wont be used unless you plan on fighting.

If you just Rp totally (i have a char like that), and you eat just apples, he'll have -2 const, but a bit better then eating an apple and dying of poison.

Its also a chance to give cooks... some work.

So this would mean mages who have a low constitution are more likely to get ghosted if don't buy the food? The same ones that, at least apprentices, have no skill, or little skill to earn coin?

Crafters don't need constitution. So it does not hurt them, if they have a slightly lower constitution. Furthermore you do not have to buy the most expensive stuff that is around. A bread for example will keep you nicely at the normal constitution level.

Mages have their food spell. This has no effect on the DoM at all.

Nitram

not to forget that regaining Mana costs alot of food and that cooking, at it is now, is hard to make, making something to eat takes alot of ressources and then even fails alot, there is nearly no gain of making food and then you want to sell it..no not really.

I doubt you can say this for sure.

And even if making food is to hard not and needs balancing. Then we will do it. But we don't have to drag that new system down before anything was tried.

Nitram

So this would mean mages who have a low constitution are more likely to get ghosted if don't buy the food?

On the other hand they have the chance not to be ghosted that fast.
You have to give up your idea that every char can easily be independent. This ruins the ingame economy. Of course everytime one group has to bear more disadvantages than the others, but Illarion has been changing for all the time I have been involved. So just sit back and take it easy.
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Back to my actual question about the racial features...
They should be as easy to keep in mind as possible.

Currently there are following features implemented:
Lizards: Fish good (3 meals), bread/rolls bad (2 meals)

Orcs: meat good (6 meals), fruits/vegetables bad (6 meals)

Fairies: fruits good (8 meals), meat bad (7 meals)

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proposals:
Dwarfes same like Orcs?
Halflings: Vegetables good (5 meals), but what is bad?

Elfes...their eating habits are not that different from the humans'. Of course, they actually should be used to fruits and stuff but they also hunt animals though only as many as they really need. So I can´t imagine their disadvantages.

Nitram wrote:Crafters don't need constitution. So it does not hurt them, if they have a slightly lower constitution. Furthermore you do not have to buy the most expensive stuff that is around. A bread for example will keep you nicely at the normal constitution level.

Mages have their food spell. This has no effect on the DoM at all.

Nitram

That is good to know, about the bread, so the only ones at a disadvantage would possibly be apprentices before they get their spell, which could be awhile. On the whole though, that should not be too many chars.

You have to give up your idea that every char can easily be independent. This ruins the ingame economy. Of course everytime one group has to bear more disadvantages than the others, but Illarion has been changing for all the time I have been involved. So just sit back and take it easy.
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I would say that if it is in the RP background for a char to be somewhat independent, that shouldn't be given up, and I am not against changes, however, this is still listed as a proposal so I also have opinions that I have expressed. If this is a proposal that has been approved, I will just "take it easy"

The diet system is now active, though not exactly as it is written here.

Mind what you eat. Wrong food harms your body over time. Because only the cooks in Illarion are able to free the food from all natural toxicity.

Rule of thumb: The harder to cook, the better for your diet.
Racial features:
Orcs
They like meat but detest fruits and vegetables.

Lizards
They like fish but detest dry breads and bread rolls.

Fairies
They like fruits but detest meat.

Hint: No cook has to prepare ham.
Food potions sate your hunger, but are surely a no-go for a perfect diet.

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Das Ernährungssystem ist jetzt aktiv, wenngleich nicht genauso wie es hier beschrieben ist.

Achte darauf, was Ihr esst. Falsches Essen schadet mit der Zeit Eurem Körper. Denn nur die Köche in Illarion können das Essen von allen natürlichen Giftstoffen befreien.

Daumenregel: Je schwerer zu kochen, desto besser für die Ernährung.
Eigenheiten der Rassen:
Orks
Sie lieben Fleisch, verabscheuen aber Früchte und Gemüse.

Echsen
Sie lieben Fisch, verabscheuen aber trockene Brote und Brötchen.

Feen
Sie lieben Früchte, verabscheuen aber Fleisch.

Hinweis: Kein Koch muss Schinken zubereiten.
Sattmacher stillen Euren Hunger, sind aber sicherlich nicht gut für eine perfekte Ernährung.

Für Halblinge würd ich die Umkehr der Echsenmenschen vorschlagen: Lieben Backwaren, haben aber Probleme mit Meeresfrüchten/Fischgerichten.

Wouldn't ist be possibel, that you will get ill or something like this when you're trinking just food poitions and you eant nothing?

For exampel:
You have a bar with "food potion" poitns. The player can't see it of course. With a whole bar you can drink two food potions. If you trink to much food potions you'll get a strong pain in your stomach. The effect is that you can't eat so much and maybe you attributes fall down for a definit time.
And normal food doesn't affect the "food potion" bar of course.
And you get new "food potion" points very slow, so slow that you just can trink one potion every day.
Is this proposal to understand?

Oh... and something must be done. A strawberry cake costs 100 or 150 copper by one halflning in Greenbriar and a food potions costs at the hospital halfling 20 or 25 copper.
You can also just raise the price of foor potions,but if it would be to high nobody would by them.

This proposal wasn't just designed to ruin food potions, but to make people who pick up their food for free start thinking about buying it from a cook.

Food potions are a bit more good at ruining your health.

Hadrian_Abela wrote:This proposal wasn't just designed to ruin food potions, but to make people who pick up their food for free start thinking about buying it from a cook.

Food potions are a bit more good at ruining your health.

It has though in a way ruined food potions........that is if you want your char to stay in good health while fighting, mining etc.

I know of only one cook on USA times that sells food. So, when not bought (that is, if my chars have the copper to buy food anyway), I guess my fighter char and mage char before learning magic would have been trying to cook food after killing pigs which IMO has just made the game more skill oriented, less RP oriented.

There is no 'damage' to the Rp.

If you don't fight, you don't NEED your constitution (really).
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Small Suggestion: Can we have a command (!diet?) Which will tell us how the food we're eating is effecting us?

"You are eating allright"
"You are eating a bad diet"
"You are eating a very good diet"

thing?

Hadrian_Abela wrote:Small Suggestion: Can we have a command (!diet?) Which will tell us how the food we're eating is effecting us?

"You are eating allright"
"You are eating a bad diet"
"You are eating a very good diet"

thing?

@Pharse: I don't know exactly how the system technically works, but is it possible for an NPC to detect if a character has a reduced or increased consitution? If so an NPC would be better than a new command.

Yeah, the hospital NPC would be a good idea (a new one)

^_^

Ruining the game ruining it I say

blöde Frage: das Active beim beitrag hier hier heißt das das System schon verwendet wird?

ja

das wäre wirklich nett wenn das wer irgendwo hin geschrieben hätte mit ner kleinen zusammenfassung