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I know what is sarcasm, but I still dont understand your post, maybe my frenchness is taking over.

or your noobletness.

pwned

All your base are belong to us!

But all in all Quin said what is needed.

Nitram

Honestly, i dont see where your problem is.

Noone ingame really cares about Stephen and is whereabouts, except a few Kallahorns maybe. Noone even asked until now where he is! It may shock you, but Illarion works very well without Stephen being ig. No world disasters, no lost peoples starving on the streets because no Stephen is around, and no hoards of women asking around for their lover being gone.

Dude, Stephen being gone without a word hasn't jolted anything. And the peoples simply doesnt care for it ingame.

So i see no reason why you become all that excited about how to explain that he is gone with roleplay. The only ones who really care are a few of Kallahorn and Retlak who lost his "Black hand" servant.

Just play he went away, or he died on one of his training trips, or whatever. PO Stephen also could make an roleplay explanation in the rpg forum, there is even a thread for chars being gone where you can write rpg explanations down!
Its not the problem of the GM's if he ignores that. So moan at him that he doesnt give any explanations. The GM's doesnt also have to wipe the rulebreakers ass and do such stuff for them

Samantha Meryadeles wrote:Honestly, i dont see where your problem is.

Noone ingame really cares about Stephen and is whereabouts, except a few Kallahorns maybe. Noone even asked until now where he is! It may shock you, but Illarion works very well without Stephen being ig. No world disasters, no lost peoples starving on the streets because no Stephen is around, and no hoards of women asking around for their lover being gone.

Dude, Stephen being gone without a word hasn't jolted anything. And the peoples simply doesnt care for it ingame.

So i see no reason why you become all that excited about how to explain that he is gone with roleplay. The only ones who really care are a few of Kallahorn and Retlak who lost his "Black hand" servant.

Just play he went away, or he died on one of his training trips, or whatever. PO Stephen also could make an roleplay explanation in the rpg forum, there is even a thread for chars being gone where you can write rpg explanations down!
Its not the problem of the GM's if he ignores that. So moan at him that he doesnt give any explanations. The GM's doesnt also have to wipe the rulebreakers ass and do such stuff for them

And the PO of the Stephen hater rejoices, in obvious glee, hoping he doesn't come back.

Oh Patric, since the game could work very well without you, why dont we ban you?

Samantha Meryadeles wrote: The GM's doesnt also have to wipe the rulebreakers ass and do such stuff for them

Theres still no incidence of a rulebreak.

Samantha Meryadeles wrote:Honestly, i dont see where your problem is.

Noone ingame really cares about Stephen and is whereabouts, except a few Kallahorns maybe. Noone even asked until now where he is! It may shock you, but Illarion works very well without Stephen being ig. No world disasters, no lost peoples starving on the streets because no Stephen is around, and no hoards of women asking around for their lover being gone.

So your trying to say the game is more boring without him? I would have to agree.

Quinasa wrote:I'm reading your post and all I see is an insult to me and to the people who make this game possible for you. This isn't a democracy, its a game and you aren't in charge. If you don't like it then too bad for you, no one is making you stay here. I think I can speak for everyone when I say that none of us on the staff are going to bow down to anyone that plays the game,

ummm...delutions of grandeur much?

Quinasa wrote: So Matholamew Dunsinane, I'm reading your posts. All of them, and all I can see is provoking with an obscure and yet insulting purpose. I feel personally attacked. It is as though you've thought to cast the largest net of accusations behind unobtrusive words, as though you meant to spread your arms as wide as they can go with your fingers spread apart, a different accusation spurting off in every angle such that none can be caught and responded to in conjunction with another and so to make me and the other members of the staff feel ashamed or bad to something we weren't wrong in doing.

And noone sees a personal attack or...um...three in that? So you do not need to show the same respect? It is earned. When I break a rule...which I havent...I will own up to it as well. Personal attacks though? tsk tsk tsk...mighty childish aren't we?...zing

((ps, note the irony...haha funny funny....relax on the childish comment, milady gamemaster))

She is just a mod -_-

Grant wrote:She is just a mod -_-

ohhh

Than I meant to say Milady mod.

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Wasn't this just titled Dear GMs, not Dear GMs devs mods, and everyone else? The sidetracks weren't built by me, but they have obviously been taken by certain people to avoid the point. Don't fault me for that.

Yeah. She's a board mod, but I've noticed the same thing that you do that lately she has become the overly protective mother voice of the staff and that she lashes out quite quickly when any of the staff is criticized. She's just a board mod, though. More than likely she'll lock this. That is what she can do.

The problem with the other topic being locked was that the central point wasn't finished being talked about, only a secondary one on wether the GM abuse man was active, and I could have told you that he is. The GM abuse person is a very nice man, but I sometimes feel he hesitates to put down a staff member when he knows better. He's kind, however; I'm not. =)

The only thing that keeps me around to comment is that I keep seeing a series of revenge bannings by the staff that I find offensive, and I'm not the only one.

Ya, you tell em dawg. ( oh and the reason is like cause her sis is like a gm or something..just a thought ya know)

I made her sis a GM, "dawg." =)

Sweet.

In any case, all I'm really asking in retrospect that I feel wasn't answered at the other topic is:

Considering the facts that I posted about the disciplinary history of the player which I feel and others feel invalidates an argument that he should be punished extra due to his past crimes, isn't a permanent ban a bit extreme for the crime of outting a character of a GM?

I was outted within about 10 minutes of recieving my GM powers when I was a GM. The player recieved as her punishment a series of very angry private messages from me and that's it; she's still a member of the community.

Why didn't I press for a punishment of said player? Mostly because I was aware that the player would still be a member of the community today if I didn't. That is to say, the player was a member of a community that I held more sacred than my privacy within that community; catch that?

To work on this game is troublesome, hard, and frustrating work, sure. But it's also a reward. GM's do GM work because they're players who were picked out that helped the community and wrote stories previously. Developers become developers because they are people who *like* to program and build and develop, and hell, it's something nice to put on a resume.

I think that a few of the current staff members and helpers have forgotten that they've been bestowed with a priviledge. Some of the staff and helpers have expressed things recently that lead me to believe that they don't care for the community at all, in fact, and one community is as good as another, so if we scare away these, well, then now we work with these others. When your priviledges become work, maybe it's time to take a break.

And with that, I think I'll stop checking this board again for a while, at risk of being a one-note instrument. Be good to eachother.

YOU TELL EM, DAWG!

Grant wrote:YOU TELL EM, DAWG!

LOL...

Thank you, I could not have said it better...

Please be a GM again, because we need your logic on the staff.

Best 3 gms ever IMHO:

Pappy
Mitch
Jappy

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Nitram
Irania
Rinya
For me atlest.
I can't remember any of those people.

Who are current GMs?

All the good ones seem to have resigned...

The tone on the forums has decreased, and some topics have simply turned into mud fights which we don't need here, so don't wonder about increased mod activity.
We also had some false accusations against staff members lately, causing lots of research work for the GM abuse persons, and we had several false accusations of players against each other too, causing some work of several staff members on thelog data stuff. All this trash is just unnecessary.

Please, all remember for what we are here. We all have (or should have) the goal of playing TOGETHER. That also means that we may have to punish / ban some individuals who don't get that - but we don't ban too easily, except if the player is a really annoying PK-n00b-you-know-what-i-mean.

Roleplaying is not about winning or loosing, it's about telling a tale together. It's an art of painting a character picture, interaction, filling a fictional world with life.
It's not about skills and flaming and pwning eachother, and also not about showing off with the biggest muscles and genitals like in stone age.
Roleplaying means to play together and to have fun TOGETHER, not on the cost of others. Please remember that.

And now since we all remembered that, is it can be hugs tiem now plz?

YOU TELL EM, DAWG!

Aegohl wrote:In any case, all I'm really asking in retrospect that I feel wasn't answered at the other topic is:

Considering the facts that I posted about the disciplinary history of the player which I feel and others feel invalidates an argument that he should be punished extra due to his past crimes, isn't a permanent ban a bit extreme for the crime of outting a character of a GM?

I was outted within about 10 minutes of recieving my GM powers when I was a GM. The player recieved as her punishment a series of very angry private messages from me and that's it; she's still a member of the community.

Why didn't I press for a punishment of said player? Mostly because I was aware that the player would still be a member of the community today if I didn't. That is to say, the player was a member of a community that I held more sacred than my privacy within that community; catch that?

To work on this game is troublesome, hard, and frustrating work, sure. But it's also a reward. GM's do GM work because they're players who were picked out that helped the community and wrote stories previously. Developers become developers because they are people who *like* to program and build and develop, and hell, it's something nice to put on a resume.

I think that a few of the current staff members and helpers have forgotten that they've been bestowed with a priviledge. Some of the staff and helpers have expressed things recently that lead me to believe that they don't care for the community at all, in fact, and one community is as good as another, so if we scare away these, well, then now we work with these others. When your priviledges become work, maybe it's time to take a break.

And with that, I think I'll stop checking this board again for a while, at risk of being a one-note instrument. Be good to eachother.

Please Read this everyone...This seems like enough reason to understand why the players are upset. And please stop saying, "oh this is my favorite GM" blah blah blah. Hadrian, YOU started an off topic part of this thread.

Sorry for the personal attack...just it isnt the players who go off topic. If anyone else had started saying that, this would have been locked already. I didn't want any mudslinging. This was directed to the GMs in a public place. Aegohl made a good point, and all of a sudden the wit of the staff dried out...Sorry guys, the punishment doesn't seem fair.


Now please everyone, unless you have something useful to say, don't post here. I don't want any reason for this thread to be locked before it has served it's purpose.

Damien wrote: Roleplaying is not about winning or loosing, it's about telling a tale together. It's an art of painting a character picture, interaction, filling a fictional world with life.
It's not about skills and flaming and pwning eachother, and also not about showing off with the biggest muscles and genitals like in stone age.
Roleplaying means to play together and to have fun TOGETHER, not on the cost of others. Please remember that.

Tell that to the people rattling on, and than either attacking, or walking off before you get a chance to reply.

I hate it when that happens.

That's all I'm adding.

*group hug*

Hadrian, YOU started an off topic part of this thread.

Probably because I couldn't see the ONTOPIC part of this thread.

Thats it

*hugs the GMS*
*hugs the devs*
*hugs the mods*
*hugs the players*
*hugs the ex-players*
*hugs the spammers*
*hugs the lurker *
*hugs the bbamas*

the end

Hadrian_Abela wrote:

Hadrian, YOU started an off topic part of this thread.

Probably because I couldn't see the ONTOPIC part of this thread.

Did you read any of the beginning of this thread? or did you just come in and spam?

You know it's a newb when it asks "Hadrian came to spam?"

This isn't a democracy, its a game and you aren't in charge. If you don't like it then too bad for you, no one is making you stay here. I think I can speak for everyone when I say that none of us on the staff are going to bow down to anyone that plays the game, especially when they are instigators throwing out insults and taunts in the form of mock flattery and benevolent altruism.

As pointed out before, this attitude among certain staff is one of the issues here. Ideally the purpose of a game is the entertainment of its players, not as a pet project for its developers. Given that the game is arguably based entirely on the interactions of its players, I'd say they should recieve a little more respect than an offer to, "put up, or get the smile out."

I think I can speak for everyone when I say that none of us on the staff are going to bow down to anyone that plays the game...

Isn't the game being made for the players?