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Stop trying to cover people up, children are exposed to sex everytime they turn on the TV. There is no reason that Illarion, already forewarned for mature content, should lessen it's content and make this game further into a child's playground, what will be next, do deaths, only hits on the head?

everybody read, what Ku wrote? - thanks for that lines, ku.

i am father of two daughters 14 and 11 years.
if one of them would like to play illarion, i would not forbid it, just because there would be a "social club" in trolls bane, or some whores in the streets.
ingame rapes would be an entirely other thing.

so as the game is at the moment, i would warn them about the frustration they would feel, being robbed frequently by expierienced players, i would warn them about those elite players with their romantic roleplay that sounds as false as a three dollar bill.
but why warn them about something, that they see in every third movie, that is shown on tv?

somebody (kevin, i think) mentioned, that those who are in favor of permitting lassies, do that only, because they want to frequent them.
personally, "not thanks" is my answer for prostitutes.
but i think, that is no reason, to forbid them.

or are we playing in a victorian setting?
(but even there they were needed)

korm
(not under pressure, but in favor)

Kevin,

I haven't been underaged in a long time

But what I see available to the kids today is openly available enough without coming here. The CS here pales in comparison to most other sites.

I think what you are forgetting is that Illarion is a "Medieval" Fantasy, RP Game, and pretty damned good one, and free.

1) Kids under 'age' won't bother playing for long. I think anybody not 'mature' enough for roleplay and 'delayed' gratification are weeded out on a daily basis by the 'difficult' skill system. You gotta agree, it's not an 'easy' game to play compared to many others.

2) Illarion is free, and you'll get players of all ages, walks of life and situations. We can't possibly know the background of who's here and who's 'parents' are watching. Forget it, I don't care about that. I play to have fun, not 'baby sit' a bunch of kids.

3) Illarion is a medieval RP game. Actually considering what actually happened in the middle ages with public executions, rapes and pillaging, burning witches at the stake and the Tortures of the Inquisition, Illarion is pretty lame. I consented to RP a simple mutilation, and everyone seemed to go crazy to kill Grant about it. A single prostitute emerges and everyone freaks out. Many players (Sometimes I even slip, sorry) commonly apply 21st century ideas into a medieval environment, so what we get is a 'cuddly', 'child-friendly' version of Lord of the Rings. The 'Reality' of the world I think we are trying to create was far harsher. I'm sorry, but I am here to play with a mature community that can accept the harsh realities of this 'time-period'. I think the best time I've had so far was when Stephen Rothman conquered Silverbrand. Why????
The Island was in Chaos, an Empire was being started, Evil was lurking in the mists and no-one was safe. It seemed very 'realistic' to me, and the uncertainty was fun. I thought there'd be more wars, but Stephen was taken out 'unfairly' in my opinion. The gates of TrollsBane should have been locked and the city besieged, it wouldn't have been so easy. I saw that 'battle' and it was a joke. Sorry, just my opinion.

The point is, don't worry about this issue Kevin. The community here is what makes Illarion fun, not the graphics. I believe this community could handle far more than a single prostitute, if they just check their 21st century morals and beliefs at the door.

Juniper Onyx wrote:Kevin,

I haven't been underaged in a long time

But what I see available to the kids today is openly available enough without coming here. The CS here pales in comparison to most other sites.

I think what you are forgetting is that Illarion is a "Medieval" Fantasy, RP Game, and pretty damned good one, and free.

1) Kids under 'age' won't bother playing for long. I think anybody not 'mature' enough for roleplay and 'delayed' gratification are weeded out on a daily basis by the 'difficult' skill system. You gotta agree, it's not an 'easy' game to play compared to many others.

2) Illarion is free, and you'll get players of all ages, walks of life and situations. We can't possibly know the background of who's here and who's 'parents' are watching. Forget it, I don't care about that. I play to have fun, not 'baby sit' a bunch of kids.

3) Illarion is a medieval RP game. Actually considering what actually happened in the middle ages with public executions, rapes and pillaging, burning witches at the stake and the Tortures of the Inquisition, Illarion is pretty lame. I consented to RP a simple mutilation, and everyone seemed to go crazy to kill Grant about it. A single prostitute emerges and everyone freaks out. Many players (Sometimes I even slip, sorry) commonly apply 21st century ideas into a medieval environment, so what we get is a 'cuddly', 'child-friendly' version of Lord of the Rings. The 'Reality' of the world I think we are trying to create was far harsher. I'm sorry, but I am here to play with a mature community that can accept the harsh realities of this 'time-period'. I think the best time I've had so far was when Stephen Rothman conquered Silverbrand. Why????
The Island was in Chaos, an Empire was being started, Evil was lurking in the mists and no-one was safe. It seemed very 'realistic' to me, and the uncertainty was fun. I thought there'd be more wars, but Stephen was taken out 'unfairly' in my opinion. The gates of TrollsBane should have been locked and the city besieged, it wouldn't have been so easy. I saw that 'battle' and it was a joke. Sorry, just my opinion.

The point is, don't worry about this issue Kevin. The community here is what makes Illarion fun, not the graphics. I believe this community could handle far more than a single prostitute, if they just check their 21st century morals and beliefs at the door.

Thanks for telling that, exactly my thoughts.

Yeah, nicely written. I didn't care about all the attacks besides the one by Gabon, has he even met Dusty?

One would find that I am such an 'underaged child' Dusty. Yet I am still playing, check my join date. I've been playing since, I type well, mature enough. Not every twelve year old boy sits on his lazy ass all day playing Runescape, Illarion more like it.

Try not to generalise it so much. I am also fully aware that prostitution is soemthing in real life, I have known that for two years or so. One would find sometimes one makes these topics to make oneself feel older and more mature.

I'll just ignore that last part...

I only meant to say that there may be those who arn't mature enough in that way, not every 10 year old goes onto the net and tries to find porn.
As I've tried to state before, this goes for those who arn't out for it and are suddenly approached by a whore who basicly just asks "Hey hun, wanna have sex?" That's alot differant then others, who'se chars may have sex with you quite easy, but don't come up to you and just ask.

Most of these things, if I bothered reading them now I could easely answer most, but you are all smart enough to see the answer, just to damned proud or to damned intent on prostitution just for your own while not thinking of a certain small group of others, since you all seem to follow one guy's words, words that seemed rather smart, as it always goes here, people tend to pick the majority over what should be right.


I'm sereously annoyed by the stupidity of some questions I've read, wich you can all so easely answer yourselves. Maybe I am somewhat over estimating what might happen, but atleast I'm not to damn proud to admit things.

All I wanted to state was that there is a small class, wich could have quite some troubles with this. I did not ask for prostitution to become completely banned, since most of you would dissagree without a thought, and I'll leave the possible reasons why out of this topic. I simply want to make sure that nothing to bad happens with this. I simply ask for

And about the 'but they can find porn easely on the net to!' stuff: It's not all about what children can find, it's what they can be suddenly confronted with.

If you in rl as a 10 year old would be suddenly confronted by a whore and asked to have sex with her for a few coins, even if you would say no the hooker might try to pursuade you into it, since they want their coins to. Even though in rl no hooker(One in her/his right mind) would confront a 10 year old, those ingame will not likely know the age of the PO.

Maybe I am exaturating, but atleast I give a shit.

And Gildon: Not everyone may be as easy with such things as you.
And everyone: The thing I just told to Gildon is an easely discarded thing in this comunity, so think about what those not to completely stable might think or say. It's just as when rape was brought up, what about those who've been encountered with such things themselves?

kevin,

i will write no more in this topic. it is senceless, because you aparently do not read or understand, what we write.

korm

I will say this, and then I will say no more on the topic.



I can tell you from recent personal experience that most people have NO idea how easy it is to 'trigger' certain reactions/fears/memories.


Anything along these lines should be handled with the utmost delicacy, and not just overlooked because 'it happens in real life'. As someone said, some of us come ehre to escape that kind of shit or memories thereof, and there is no reason it should be included in a game like this.

What Jen just said is pretty much all this that I wrote(Or meant to atleast) summed up.

When I was a bit jounger my parents used to send me away when a sex scene came up in a movie.
And watching something on tv is far different than actualy actively partaking in it via rp, for me it is atleast.

To be honest, I don't get NirAnte's point. I simply do not understand what you want to tell us.
Is it that someone has bad memories connected to prostitution?

Well, someone might have bad memories connected to murder or suicide. This is probably much more likely than such connected/triggered by prostitution. Still, Illarion does not care about it.

Illarion is recommended for people aged 16+. I see no problem there. I don't think that there is anything that needs to be discussed.

Martin

Edit: Not such things directly, just saying that it could trigger bad things. I know the chance is slim but there still is, all I(And her to I guess) realy want to say is to be carefull with such subjects, to keep it short.

Thanks for such answer Kevin and now... It's not like we have many young people in the community, I am pretty much the youngest if not mistaken.

Gildon wrote:Thanks for such answer Kevin and now... It's not like we have many young people in the community, I am pretty much the youngest if not mistaken.

You are.

No sex with whores, mm'kay?

make way bible basher comin through.


kidden, I'm not going to bring religon into this, it wouldn't end well.

but anyways, I see Kevin's point. I thing cs is completely retarded, no matter what you say, "for the good of rp, I must do her!". but it didn't really make a differance until now, because cs wasn't common (at least I hope ) and I never really read anything that suggestive or walked in on anyone. I would prefer it limited in some way, but from the posts I'm reading, I doubt that will happen. I would also like to say, that the main page should change the "it has nothing to do with the content" if possible.

and to whatever orc avatar guy and a few others said, "they should be open with their sexuality!" " it's only words..."

what is Illarion? why can't we see our armor? You all go on and on about how this game unleashes your imagination. What do you think people will be imagining with a prostitute? you're saying that "image" should go into every mind in the world, no matter the age?



and by the way Gildon, I'm challenging you for that "youngest player award"

martin wrote:
Illarion is recommended for people aged 16+. I see no problem there. I don't think that there is anything that needs to be discussed.

Martin

I think this is the point to remember. the recommended age is 16+ meaning that if your old enough to read (which would be the only way you could play this game) and ignore this recommendation, your basically stating that you believe yourself mature enough to deal with adult situations. so then why should an entire community be forced to censor itself for those players who have by joining the game virtually given a the statement that they are mature enough to play?

Poots wrote:because cs wasn't common

Yes it was, it just wasn't admitted openly. Athian is correct as well as Martin. If you read the main page you would know that you need a level of maturity to play. Roleplay can go in many different directions. Sex is just as horrible as (an in game reference) breaking someones arms and legs or cutting off a limb and describing the blood and gore associated with such actions. If you're mature enough to handle that then cs (which is done in secluded places) should be nothing.

As for the topic of 'offering' services, the sentances of offering is not dirty in the least and therefor it should really not offend. Unless of course it is the character who is offended.

because cs wasn't common (at least I hope Wink )

how dare you edit me. I was pointing out that it was done in privacy and I never heard anything about it. if it wern't for people like Kevin blabbin about "I had cs!!!!11!!!!1" I wouldn't know that it was even done in Illarion.

Ehwha?
I may have mentioned some things here and there I don't remember >.>

Agrona wrote: As for the topic of 'offering' services, the sentances of offering is not dirty in the least and therefor it should really not offend. Unless of course it is the character who is offended.

Read the whole darn topic for once.
Sereously, this is getting anoying.
It's not about people being offended, nor about banning.
I don't feel like repeating me over and over again right now so read some previous posts.

Just to clarify: I was referring more to the rape aspect of what was being talked about, than the prostitution, because this topic kinda diverged to cover both.

martin wrote:Illarion is recommended for people aged 16+. I see no problem there. I don't think that there is anything that needs to be discussed.

Martin

This pretty much sums it up, but I'm going to put in my two cents before closing this topic:

Jen's point about some things triggering memories is, while exceptionally sympathetic and caring, a completely void argument. There are people here who play the game (and I'm not naming names) who have been robbed, raped, touched by the death of a loved one by means of both homicide and suicide. People die in game all the time, and while I can sympathize with anyone who's ever lost a loved one that doesn't mean no one can die in Illarion because someone else died in real life. And the sex happens in game all the time anyway. Anyone who has access to game logs or the GM tools knows for a fact that it happens, usually in the most discrete places. If you don't like it, don't play. Illarion can't cater to everyone and if it did there wouldn't be a game for any of us to play.

End of discussion.