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Hey; there is NOONE who cannot get a girlfriend. There will always be someone who will go out with them no matter what they're like.

Sir William Elderberry,
Lord of Caelum

Even if that is so, what of the second point I raised? What about those who simply have no desire to be emotionally intimate with someone else? This is a choice that some people make; does this mean they should be denied the same physical pleasures others take for granted? I think not, and I, for one, applaud anyone who is willing to operate a business to take care of such matters.

Auric Stoneface

Sir Aristeaus charges 2 silver per night.


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to
Lady Samantha Meryadeles
Archmistress of Gobaith

dear lady,

i wont mention the seahorse. thats not my business.

but you, being a mage should be of somewhat elevated education.

did you really never hear about that many cultures, that have holy temple houris?

did you never reflect about the fact, why the gods in their wisdom created the races with two genders?

sure, as a mage you have to refuse the pleasures of flesh, not to loose your powers.
but not everybody on this island can equal you, being perfect.

your title includes the words "of Gobaith".
in my understanding that gives you the obligation, to look for the best of all inhabitants. not just state your personal feelings.

on this island are far more men, than women. if you insist in stable, monogamic relations, you condemn a lot of men to just sweat ther feelings through their ribs. or to fall back to handycraft.

the gods made us like cork and bottleneck. and i never found a bottleneck that had written on it: one cork only!

respectfull,
tjalf kormson

Prostitution seems to be one of four ways, how a woman can make a living in Gobaith.

She can marry and be protected.
She can learn a craft and be robbed every second day.
She can become a fighter or mage if she is strong enough.
She can become a lass and be protected by everyone.

go on, Victoria. victory will be your's!

Dear M'lady Samantha Meryledes,

I apologize for assuming that you would possibly rent a room for this purpose. I thought that as a business owner, you would be open to the possibility and put morality aside. I apologize for assuming that you would wish for more customers for your Inn. After all, what is an Inn for? More and more, I come to the conclusion that perhaps you would rather operate a monastery than a business. It's your choice and your profits, but I don't think that throwing morality into business is good 'business'. The people you judge, will judge you, and your business as well. I don't judge any of my customers, it doesn't matter who they are, it's just business. And business is Good!

My offer to build a 'Home' for Victoria and others of this profession still stands. Whether it is in TrollsBane, or we shield it from the "Self-Rightous" here in Briar County is up to the people of Trolls Bane. I will leave that up to them, but it will be built regardless. I believe there is plenty of support for a 'safe' place for this profession, because I guarantee this will not be the last we hear about this profession. Better in a 'safe' location, than in the streets.

Respectfully,
~Dusty Bottoms~

Shudup Samantha! Joo hab no honor!

Karguk Inkathurg

Samantha~

You say you will no longer visit Troll's Bane because of this, and now Varshikar as well, all because we happen to hold a different view from you. You will not visit the Briar for similar reasons. Soon you will hardly be able to leave your lovely but empty Academy, rather than admit that maybe just because people do not agree with you, does not mean they are less than you.

And that, saddens me to no end.

~Maggie Kemoc~

On this matter, I do find that both sides are partly right. First on, I do disagree about having prostitutes in the middle of town, showing their body and asking for customers. On the other hand, I do not think a law prohibitting such actions would be any good, it could cause much conflicts and would not be any real use.

I think Dusty's idea to create a 'whore' house is not that bad, of course at first it does seem silly or stupid, but in the end it is not that bad. Creating such an emplacement would not only help the economy of the town, but it would also help the prostitutes gain some money for a living, prevent them from asking all over the town (because they will have their own emplacement), and erm..satisfy certain individual's needs..
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Arameh,
High knight of Kallahorn

Dear Samantha,

You are wrong. I never claimed to be an 'honorable' man, only a practical one. Yes, I am trustworthy, dutiful, pragmatic, and such, but I do not consider myself 'honorable' in the terms you do. I believe our relationship has been 'over' for a long time. It seems anyone who disagrees with your 'unrealistic and idyllic' world is an 'outcast'. Hmm....if the world disagrees with you, then "they" are insane, right? I do not know what you base your honor by, when you have flagrantly supported rebellion in TrollsBane, punished others without trial or due process, and belittled or even threatened those that don't agree with you. If that is 'honor', I want no part of it.

As far as the issue at hand, I am merely being practical about it. It will not go away, so would you rather see it peddled in the streets, or a home away from the public eye where it can exist within bounds? What does 'honor' have to do with it?

You are a noble, and I have always respected that, always calling you M'lady, out of respect. However, I do not consider you 'noble' anymore. As I have said elsewhere, you are one of the "White" mages that scare me. You give "White" magic a "Bad" name. You are a self-appointed, self-righteous demi-gog, and I want nothing to do with you either. I know novice mages with more 'honor' than you espouse. Just because I am not noble, or a mage, doesn't mean I can't smell a rat when I see one. Go feed your cheese to someone else, I'm done with it.

Unrespectfully,
~Dusty Bottoms~

P.S. I did offer to 'invest' in this enterprise without 'interest', so where is the 'quick' coin I am supposedly earning as you say? I'll be lucky if I get paid back, but there's more to this Halfling than coin, as many of my friends know. Another false assumption Samantha.

to
Lady Samantha Meryadeles

dear lady,

knowing, that you will ignore the ideas of a simple barbarian again, i will speak up anyhow.

by the standards you seem to apply, we should ban all bards, cause they sell their voice, they got from the gods.
we should ban all musicians, because they sell the musik the gods enabled them to play.
we should be banning all mercenaries and townguards, because those rascals dare to sell their godgiven ability to fight.
if we apply your point of view very strictly, at last gobaith will be empty, except you and me.
sure, that i would not sell you any food, the gods let me harvest, because that would be abusing of a godly gift.

by the way, a woman is not selling her body. she is using it more or less scillfull to entertain. a body sold would be a slave. and a prostitute is less enslaved to her customers, than is a married woman to her husband.

although i doubt, that you will understand that, a woman, who decides to earn a living by entertaining customers is more precious, than a woman who sticks her nose up in the air. you write "their respect for us..."
i must dissapoint you. neither men nor women normally respect anybody just for his or her gender.
respect has to be earned individually.
and you may be sure that an honest whore is respected more, than a snobby hypocrite.

ladies, who keep their noses very high up, should revise their dresses. might be, they got some old cheese in the seams.

not so respectfully anymore, tjalf kormson

Samantha, if you don't like such things then don't do them, it's that simple. but this topic has nothing to do with "how one would feel if". because those who would feel badly wouldn't do it. those who wouldn't feel badly would. just because you disapprove doesn't mean it's going to stop. the world doesn't turn about you Samantha. even if it's outlawed the practise isn't going to stop. merely become more secretive, and quiet, as it would have remained this moment if not a public debate been started about it.

Athian Corulas

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Samantha Meryadeles

well, i just hope, that all your magery does not enable you, to polymorph yourself.

just the one of you is more than enough.

tjalf kormson

I must defend Lady Meryadeles right now. Not on the point that music and poetry is not intimate, but that it is not an honorable profession. For my own reasons, I agree with her.


~Brer Beothach~

Der is anothder point meh wunt tu bring up, whud about all da women dat get babies from dis, whud yoos gunna do with dem. Leb dem in streets tu grow up, kick dem out da city. Dey will habs no ones except der mother tu look after dem. Whud happens when da mother comes ugly unable tu works, She nubs gunna be able tu feeds dem. Dey be force tu become bandits at young age. Force tu steal food fur demselfs.

--Hu'greu--
Grand Smith ob da Shadow Horde

who's asking about honor, and what does honor have to do with turning a coin, people have killed one another over money, ruined families sacked villages and robbed ships all for the pursuit of the coin. there is no honor in money. and having a sense of nobility is not Prerequisite for making it. i won't tell another person what to do with there body, nor do i think anyone really has that right. if it disgusts you then look away, but the choice being made is by the person in that profession. theres no salvery or injustice involved, a personal choice is as it is, and i don't think you, I or anyone else can change that fact

To the writer above, me there are plenty of ways to remove and or prevent an unwanted pregenancy ask your local druid, if that were a problem in this line of work then it wouldn't be very profitable and i doubt anyone would bother. again another subject that deosnt' need to be talked about publically and seems to be so anyway.

Athian

to
governer
Cliu Beothach


sir,

may be, that my command of the new common tongue is not good enough, to express myself.
i made those comparisons just to deepen my point, not to show low esteem to all those professions mentioned.
my point is, that a honest lass, that does not steal or overcharge is honorable as well.

i hope, the missunderstanding ends here.

respectfull, tjalf kormson

Samantha you always miss the point don't you.

Ath

nice try let me dumb things down so you understand, instead of using language as an excuse. because plenty of people have said this same point but you seem to be ignoring it.

the writing seems have been written much larger at this point


SAMANTHA OPINION HAS BEEN NOTED, BUT SAMANTHA NOT QUEEN OF WORLD, JUST BECAUSE SAMANTHA NOT LIKE DOESN'T MEAN, SAMANTHA HAS RIGHT TO JUDGE OTHER PEOPLES LIVES.

Sarcastically your, dearest
Athian Corulas

i pitty you, wizard woman.
how can one be so blind?
using the body one received from the gods, to produce joy and happyness you brand as evil.
but using your divine life essence, your mana, to fight and kill, seemingly is no problem to you...

t. kormson