Illarion.org

Posted: **Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:50 pm**

[quote="Korm Kormsen"]

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swish1,

aparently you have not got this problem. so please just switch off, and dont step on our nerves. thank you.

korm[/quote

Just trying to help

Posted: **Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:41 pm**

my java is 1.5.0_06 alternatively 1.5.0_08
my pc is:
AMD sempron, 1024 MBRAM
win 98se
GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X
DirectX updated from 6.1a to 9.0c

after the umteenth reinstallation of java and the client, the result is, that i need half an eternety to load illa. (as a window)
evenusing the stored #mes works not correctly anymore.
i push a "F" button, the text appears after ten seconds. i push "enter" to send it, after another ten seconds it dissappears, without being published.
the mouse is frozen.
the red and green bar show normally, as do the items in hands and belt.
moving the char does not work any more.
"ESC" does not react.
"ctrl"+"Alt"+"Del" do not react. -- edit: neither does "Alt"+"Tab".
to get out of illa, i have to restart the pc with the restart button.

korm

Posted: **Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:00 pm**

this is hopeless!!!!

must we leave illarion now?

Posted: **Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:45 pm**

Korm's recent problem sounds realy strange, but maybe the last DirectX 9.0c is not compatible with Win98SE anymore?

And I think it is not easy for Nop to get rid of that bug, because for the most people ist works.
An interesting question would be: Do ALL Win98 users have that problem?

Posted: **Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:01 pm**

Do ALL Win98 users have that problem?

i dont know. but ALL who have the prblem so far, have win98 and a video card with Nvidia/GeForce chips (64 MB, if i got it right)

two questions:

anybody knows how to desinstall a DirectX 9.xxx without formating the drive?

till which version do people have DirectX on a win98se machine, without problems?

korm

Posted: **Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:27 pm**

Korm Kormsen wrote:i dont know. but ALL who have the prblem so far, have win98 and a video card with Nvidia/GeForce chips (64 MB, if i got it right)

When a nVidia graphics card is a cause for the problems, you should try to use the latest driver (or: everybody should post their used drivers).

anybody knows how to desinstall a DirectX 9.xxx without formating the drive?

There are workaround but there are no guarantees for a working system afterwards. Use your favorite search engine to find instructions.

till which version do people have DirectX on a win98se machine, without problems?

I did a fast search but found nothing about problems on Windows 98 SE with DirectX 9.0c. I know there are more versions of 9.0c out there; according to Wikipedia the latest is the "August 2006 Build".

PS: Maybe your DirectX installation is corrupted. Try "Run..." (Start Menu) and then "dxdiag".

Posted: **Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:05 pm**

dxdiag was ok even with9.0c build.
at the moment i cant even start 98 on that mashine.
now its crying for various .dlls.

Posted: **Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:03 pm**

My system works fine with win 98 and DX 9.0c
It worked fine with Illarion until the V0.98 update.
Korm's problem is something different at the moment (on top of the Illarion problem).
Have you tried reinstalling your video card/drivers since changing to DX 9.0c? Or maybe try a slightly older version of DX and see if you get the same problems.
Could also check your hardware configuration. Make sure there are no conflicts there. Make sure only the current hardware/drivers/etc are listed.

Posted: **Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:46 am**

i have cleaned that pc completly now. just win98se directX9.0c and some tools.
no bad registry entrances, nothing.

now, which version of java runtime enviroment do you recommend me to install?

and how shall i install the client? online? or downloading and offline?

korm

Posted: **Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:23 pm**

The java environment does not really seem to matter, I would recommend using _08.

Online installation is the preferred way.

Your previous problem sounds like low performance due to bad drivers - probably software rendering, not using the graphics card at all. But getting an "F" after 10 seconds means that you don't have the "mute"-Problem.

Posted: **Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:16 pm**

nop,

thanks. i'll install again....

but its the problem we all have. we can emote what was prepared before. but we cant write new emotes or speech.

korm

edit.
i checked with directXdiag.

the only thing, working with software, instead of hardware is the sound.

Posted: **Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:48 pm**

That isn't reliable. OpenGL might still be working in software.

Posted: **Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:55 pm**

where and how do i check that?

Posted: **Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:31 pm**

well, it is going on four weeks now, that i can not play.

is there any real hope, that the bug might be found and fixed?

korm

Posted: **Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:59 pm**

Yes. I am working on an alternate implementation of the keyboard handling along some code offered in the forums. Maybe that will help. But I am back at work now, not a lot of time for hobby development.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:03 am**

thanks for the information.
i will try to be patient.

korm

Posted: **Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:15 pm**

Hi, I'm having the same problems with typing/speech in the game but I have Windows ME.

If anyone knows of a fix, please let me know because I'm dying to play the game.

Thanks

Posted: **Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:20 pm**

well, my provisional solution:
i play on the pc of my daughters.
XP and veeeery slow.
if somebody greets me, he is about two screens off, when my answer finally appears...

Posted: **Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:24 pm**

Ok, I have changed the way the input routines work in V0.98a. Maybe this helps with the problem. If not, there is not much else that I can do.

Posted: **Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:42 pm**

do we have to make a new install?
or is the change on the server side?

gruss,korm

Posted: **Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:02 pm**

Auto-update when loading the client... 0.98a is here.
Can you all play/talk?

Posted: **Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:24 am**

the auto-update seemed to work fine.

but on starting the client, i got this:

#
# An unexpected error has been detected by HotSpot Virtual Machine:
#
# EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x6d734220, pid=-1783249, tid=4293049175
#
# Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (1.5.0_06-b05 mixed mode)
# Problematic frame:
# V [JVM.DLL+0xc4220]
#

--------------- T H R E A D ---------------

Current thread (0x006afdb0): JavaThread "CompilerThread0" daemon [_thread_in_vm, id=-1918121]

siginfo: ExceptionCode=0xc0000005, reading address 0xfffff80b

Registers:
EAX=0x006af59c, EBX=0x006af598, ECX=0xfffff7fb, EDX=0x006af5a0
ESP=0x0af0f6cc, EBP=0x0af0f6e8, ESI=0x06c43bf0, EDI=0x006af588
EIP=0x6d734220, EFLAGS=0x00010206

Top of Stack: (sp=0x0af0f6cc)
0x0af0f6cc: 006af588 006afdb0 0af0f77c 06c8b468
0x0af0f6dc: 6d734096 00000004 006afdb0 0af0f720
0x0af0f6ec: 6d7345bc 006af588 006af58c 006af59c
0x0af0f6fc: 006af598 006afdb0 0af0f77c 006afdb0
0x0af0f70c: 00000000 6d796ce8 00000000 00000000
0x0af0f71c: 00000003 0af0f74c 6d734c05 0af0f77c
0x0af0f72c: 006af58c 006af590 006af594 006af588
0x0af0f73c: 00000001 006afdb0 0af0f7d4 006afdb0

Instructions: (pc=0x6d734220)
0x6d734210: ec 10 53 8b 5d 14 56 8b 35 2c a6 7e 6d 8b 0b 57
0x6d734220: 8b 41 10 89 45 14 e8 8a eb f7 ff 8b 7d 10 3b c6

Stack: [0x0aec0000,0x0af20000), sp=0x0af0f6cc, free space=317k
Native frames: (J=compiled Java code, j=interpreted, Vv=VM code, C=native code)
V [JVM.DLL+0xc4220]
V [JVM.DLL+0xc45bc]
V [JVM.DLL+0xc4c05]
V [JVM.DLL+0xc4b4f]
V [JVM.DLL+0xc564b]
V [JVM.DLL+0x4232c]
V [JVM.DLL+0x4240d]
V [JVM.DLL+0x424f4]
V [JVM.DLL+0x41574]

Current CompileTask:
HotSpot Client Compiler:461 b java.lang.AbstractStringBuilder.append(I)Ljava/lang/AbstractStringBuilder; (71 bytes)

--------------- P R O C E S S ---------------

Java Threads: ( => current thread )
0x00731e70 JavaThread "Headspace mixer frame proc thread" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=-1724485]
0x007307c0 JavaThread "Java Sound Event Dispatcher" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=-1726097]
0x00730010 JavaThread "Java Sound Event Dispatcher" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=-1728149]
0x00723960 JavaThread "TimerQueue" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=-1764805]
0x00713db0 JavaThread "AWT-EventQueue-0" [_thread_blocked, id=-2036849]
0x007120f0 JavaThread "AWT-Shutdown" [_thread_blocked, id=-1769425]
0x006cea70 JavaThread "Java2D Disposer" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=-1763477]
0x006c15e0 JavaThread "DestroyJavaVM" [_thread_blocked, id=-1948677]
0x006c0230 JavaThread "javawsApplicationMain" [_thread_in_vm, id=-1754073]
0x006ba6a0 JavaThread "traceMsgQueueThread" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=-1747701]
0x006b8610 JavaThread "AWT-Windows" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=-1738585]
0x006b0b30 JavaThread "Low Memory Detector" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=-1918525]
=>0x006afdb0 JavaThread "CompilerThread0" daemon [_thread_in_vm, id=-1918121]
0x006aeba0 JavaThread "Signal Dispatcher" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=-1919621]
0x006ade70 JavaThread "Finalizer" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=-1920301]
0x006accf0 JavaThread "Reference Handler" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=-1945753]

Other Threads:
0x006abf50 VMThread [id=-1779737]
0x006b16e0 WatcherThread [id=-1917249]

VM state:not at safepoint (normal execution)

VM Mutex/Monitor currently owned by a thread: None

Heap
def new generation total 1728K, used 922K [0x02c40000, 0x02e10000, 0x03120000)
eden space 1600K, 57% used [0x02c40000, 0x02d26a40, 0x02dd0000)
from space 128K, 0% used [0x02dd0000, 0x02dd0000, 0x02df0000)
to space 128K, 0% used [0x02df0000, 0x02df0000, 0x02e10000)
tenured generation total 21532K, used 3601K [0x03120000, 0x04627000, 0x06c40000)
the space 21532K, 16% used [0x03120000, 0x034a46f8, 0x034a4800, 0x04627000)
compacting perm gen total 12800K, used 12659K [0x06c40000, 0x078c0000, 0x0ac40000)
the space 12800K, 98% used [0x06c40000, 0x0789cea0, 0x0789d000, 0x078c0000)
No shared spaces configured.

Dynamic libraries:
0x6d4a0000 - 0x6d4a7000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\JSOUNDDS.DLL
0xbeaf0000 - 0xbeb70000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\DSOUND.DLL
0x6d470000 - 0x6d495000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\JSOUND.DLL
0x77d60000 - 0x77dc8000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SETUPAPI.DLL
0x7f800000 - 0x7f80b000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\CFGMGR32.DLL
0xbfe60000 - 0xbfe66000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\LZ32.DLL
0x7d2a0000 - 0x7d2a9000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\HID.DLL
0x0cdd0000 - 0x0ce82000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\DINPUT8.DLL
0x69500000 - 0x69843000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\NVOPENGL.DLL
0xb00b0000 - 0xb0350000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\NVDD32.DLL
0x842ee000 - 0x842f4000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\NVARCH32.DLL
0x10000000 - 0x10033000 C:\WINDOWS\APPLICATION DATA\SUN\JAVA\DEPLOYMENT\CACHE\JAVAWS\HTTP\DDOWNLOAD.ILLARION.ORG\P80\RNLWJGL_WIN.JAR\LWJGL.DLL
0x78a00000 - 0x78acd000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\OPENGL32.DLL
0x7d340000 - 0x7d363000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\GLU32.DLL
0x7fc00000 - 0x7fc2c000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\CRTDLL.DLL
0x70000000 - 0x700a4000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\DINPUT.DLL
0x6d4e0000 - 0x6d4e9000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\NIO.DLL
0x6d240000 - 0x6d27d000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\FONTMANAGER.DLL
0x7b460000 - 0x7b46b000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSAFD.DLL
0x75de0000 - 0x75dea000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WSOCK32.DLL
0x794a0000 - 0x794b5000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSWSOCK.DLL
0x78280000 - 0x7828f000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RNR20.DLL
0x6d4c0000 - 0x6d4d3000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\NET.DLL
0x75e40000 - 0x75e52000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WS2_32.DLL
0x75e20000 - 0x75e26000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WS2HELP.DLL
0x77de0000 - 0x77de5000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SENSAPI.DLL
0x75af0000 - 0x75af8000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SHFOLDER.DLL
0x6d5d0000 - 0x6d5ef000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\REGUTILS.DLL
0x0bda0000 - 0x0bf8c000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSI.DLL
0x6d1f0000 - 0x6d203000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\DEPLOY.DLL
0x7fe80000 - 0x7ff12000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\OLEAUT32.DLL
0x76ed0000 - 0x76f3e000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\URLMON.DLL
0x76110000 - 0x76181000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WININET.DLL
0x76540000 - 0x76549000 E:\MCIHOOK.DLL
0x6c230000 - 0x6c322000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MFC42.DLL
0x7b8d0000 - 0x7b8dd000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MFC42LOC.DLL
0x56660000 - 0x56740000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\D3DIM700.DLL
0x7ca00000 - 0x7ca19000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RSABASE.DLL
0x760f0000 - 0x760fe000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WINTRUST.DLL
0x7edd0000 - 0x7ee2e000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\CRYPT32.DLL
0x7fb90000 - 0x7fbe2000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RPCRT4.DLL
0x79e50000 - 0x79e75000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSOSS.DLL
0xbaaa0000 - 0xbab09000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\DDRAW.DLL
0x83891000 - 0x83896000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\NTDLL.DLL
0x6d000000 - 0x6d167000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\AWT.DLL
0x7f2d0000 - 0x7f30d000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\UNICOWS.DLL
0x7f680000 - 0x7f692000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\AVICAP32.DLL
0x79600000 - 0x79624000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSVFW32.DLL
0xbfde0000 - 0xbfde5000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WOW32.DLL
0x7e250000 - 0x7e256000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\DCIMAN32.DLL
0x7fe50000 - 0x7fe77000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\OLEDLG.DLL
0x7fc30000 - 0x7fc75000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSVCRT20.DLL
0xbfe70000 - 0xbfe76000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VERSION.DLL
0x7fe10000 - 0x7fe3d000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\COMDLG32.DLL
0x7fcb0000 - 0x7fe0a000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SHELL32.DLL
0xbfe90000 - 0xbff1c000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\COMCTL32.DLL
0x70bd0000 - 0x70c14000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SHLWAPI.DLL
0x7fbf0000 - 0x7fbfe000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MPR.DLL
0x7ff20000 - 0x7ffe1000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\OLE32.DLL
0xbfe20000 - 0xbfe24000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\IMM32.DLL
0x7fe40000 - 0x7fe49000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WINSPOOL.DRV
0x6d660000 - 0x6d66f000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\ZIP.DLL
0x6d300000 - 0x6d31d000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\JAVA.DLL
0x6d640000 - 0x6d64c000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\VERIFY.DLL
0x6d280000 - 0x6d288000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\HPI.DLL
0x6d670000 - 0x6d804000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\CLIENT\JVM.DLL
0xbfdf0000 - 0xbfe00000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WINMM.DLL
0x00400000 - 0x0040c000 C:\ARCHIVOS DE PROGRAMA\JAVA\JRE1.5.0_06\BIN\JAVAW.EXE
0x78000000 - 0x78046000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSVCRT.DLL
0xbff50000 - 0xbff61000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\USER32.DLL
0xbff20000 - 0xbff46000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\GDI32.DLL
0xbfe80000 - 0xbfe90000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ADVAPI32.DLL
0xbff70000 - 0xbffe5000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.DLL

VM Arguments:
jvm_args: -Xbootclasspath/a:C:\Archivos de programa\Java\jre1.5.0_06\lib\javaws.jar;C:\Archivos de programa\Java\jre1.5.0_06\lib\deploy.jar -Djnlpx.home=C:\Archivos de programa\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin -Djnlpx.splashport=1071 -Djnlpx.jvm="C:\Archivos de programa\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin\javaw.exe" -Djnlpx.remove=true -Djava.security.policy=file:C:\Archivos de programa\Java\jre1.5.0_06\lib\security\javaws.policy -DtrustProxy=true -Xverify:remote -Djnlpx.heapsize=NULL,NULL
java_command: com.sun.javaws.Main C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\javaws3
Launcher Type: SUN_STANDARD

Environment Variables:
PATH=C:\Archivos de programa\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;"C:\Archivos de programa\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin"

--------------- S Y S T E M ---------------

OS: Windows 98 Build 67766446 A

CPU:total 1 family 6, cmov, cx8, fxsr, mmx, sse

Memory: 4k page, physical 1045812k(714928k free), swap 1051336k(868732k free)

vm_info: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (1.5.0_06-b05) for windows-x86, built on Nov 10 2005 11:12:14 by "java_re" with MS VC++ 6.0

korm

Posted: **Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:56 am**

Miklorius wrote:Auto-update when loading the client... 0.98a is here.
Can you all play/talk?

No.

Sorry V0.98a makes no difference at all to me.
Everything is the same as before. Game loads/runs fine but with no typing possible.

Posted: **Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:47 pm**

Thank you for the update, it loads OK, but I'm afraid I still can't type in the game.

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:39 pm**

I am in discussion with one of the lwjgl devs now.

I need need to know for all people who don't get letters:

- exact direct X version
- exact version of operation system (and service packs)

Posted: **Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:58 am**

Win 98 4.10 build 2222
DirectX 9.0c 4.09.0000.0904

Not sure where to find details on service packs, but hope this helps some.

Posted: **Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:58 pm**

This is my system info:

DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)

Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000

Internet Explorer 6.0.2800.1106 (IE 6.0 SP1)

Hope this helps.

Posted: **Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:53 pm**

Ok, I have made a debug version of the client. Maybe this will help us nail down the problem.

Please do the following:

1. Find your illarion folder (path given in the info box of the client)

2. delete error.log and console.log if there are any

3. start the debug client from this URL http://www.illarion.org/~nop/illarion_debug.jnlp

4. Play around a bit trying to type, move the mouse, use F-keys.

5. Send the error.log and console.log to me.

Posted: **Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:47 pm**

Nop,

i can not send anything at the moment.
i have tried so many different configurations, drivers and even hardware parts, that i have completly mutilated my win98.
after i'll have backed up my files to another pc, i will format the drive, and install completly new.
then i will see, how it behaves with java and illa.

Posted: **Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:31 pm**

Sorry.
Didnt get a console.log file or an error.log file when I ran the debug client. Where should they be?

Illarion.org

client 0.98 - mute players