names.dat-Editor

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:11 pm

Drogla wrote:I asked via email to have my name changed from Drogla to Drogla Dreglo, but was told it was only for people who had names in violation of the name rules, so i added my last name with !suffix

Well this is new to me, maybe you got them on the wrong foot.

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:16 pm

it was a while ago-maybe they were more worried with giving the good RPers an account that didnt have one, and giving them name changes so they didnt have to make a new char...? This was a while ago

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:42 am

Okay, criminals set aside, what about the ladies who are getting married and decide to take on the husband's last name?
WHat if they get married and, well, divorced rather frequently? Would be a pain for GMs to always keep changing things.

What if a character is created with only the last name? And then you want to either add the first name or make it shorter for friends?

I don't see any possibility of abusing this feature, because the key word still stays the same, so you cannot really fool anyone with name changes...

Yet, long titles - yes.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 8:27 am

Stop being so supersensitive about ! points and a few words. I have yet to see any reason why they shouldn't have long titles. If they are bad and reported by enough people, they will probobly be removed or they could possibly have the ability to change their title taken away.

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:09 am

Another reason to keep suffix/prefix function in hands of players is this:

Imagine my char is Morgan Adams (whatever).
I want to introduce him to a close friend as just Morgan, but to some official colleague as his full name Morgan Adams.
This is solved with suffixes.

What if I want to not tell my last name to everyone who asks

-What is your name ((please #i))

I just answer, my name is Morgan.
Why give out the last name completely?

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:11 am

Marriage is the perfect reason for a change or addition of a last name.
I doubt this will be rejected by the GM.

Your second example makes no sense at all.
This would be handled with "!name [Number]" not with prefix or suffix.

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:48 am

Well, many times people just want to sort of "make sure" you're not lying and they go OOC ((#i please)).

And if you don't #i, they assume the worst - that you're evil.

So... my proposal is. Get rid of #i function at all. Handle all naming with
!name command. Let people worry about their name knowledge themselves.
If they don't !name me when they had a chance before they forget - their own fault.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:52 am

You are changing your mind pretty fast arnt you?

First its:
Keep prefix and suffix.

Now its:
Abandon #i and replace with !name.

~ZION~ · Post by **~ZION~** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:07 pm

I think that there are good points to each of the abilities. It all depends on how the character uses them.

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:30 pm

@Darlok:

Well both of my proposals lead to the same thing - they are possibilities to keep the name flexibility for players.

So that I can avoid telling my complete registered character first name, middle name, and last name once and forever.

suffix and prefix can help this, because it can let me set and delete my last name, and #i to people of different "closeness" accordingly.

deleting #i function can also help this, because it will rid me of doing anything at all. All I have to do is speak my name to them, any name I come up with, and they will !name me as that what I tell them.
When i decide that the person is trustful enough to know my last name, I will speak it to them and they will adjust it if they want.

Do you now see how my proposals relate to each other?

~ZION~ · Post by **~ZION~** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:44 pm

Yes, I see your point. Since your character is a criminal he often uses aliases, this can make it so many people know you as many things. Just as it would be if you were a real criminal telling everyone a different name.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:51 pm

You are not supposed to have "flexible" names, because this would make our name rules and the name check at the beginning useless.

!name is enought in my eyes to have "aliases" as you need them.

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:02 pm

Yet you still have people asking to #i to them.

What's wrong with name flexibility? I mean, people would not be so rediculous as to put "Super-Mega Lord Killa John"... right?

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:09 pm

As long nobody puts a gun on my chest I am not forced to use #i.

And how can you be sure ?

I could call myself Gandalf Darlok the White Mage without a GM noticing this ever.

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:23 pm

Nice!

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:13 pm

I think we're going OfTopic. Well, I thought of something nice to thieves.

If I stand before a person and I am asked for a name, I tell it and use #i.

If I used #i without something added, it would just give him my name with all first names, middle names, last names and titles.
If I used "#i Rackere" I could tell him my first name only. If I used "#i Magellan" I could also tell him a false name.
If somebody doesn't agree to this, he also could change it with !name.

I think this would be very nice.

Darlok, if you tell somebody that your name is Gandalf, so what? This would only be one calling you Gandalf. Of cause, it is a name wich hasn't something to do in Illarion but you have to trust the players. I think the name Gandalf wouldn't destroy RP...

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:14 pm

I would violate the namerules.

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:54 pm

Both sides have strong points.
If too much flexibility - then Darlok is right, people would have full control in abusing names like Darth Vader, Gandalf, and whatever, no way to monitor it.

If the system is like it is now - then my side suffers from telling more about myself than I want, without raising suspicion. I mean, as soon as I refuse to #i to people, the situation becomes awkward. They KNOW I am a criminal, even if i roleplay being busy or not in the mood, or just mean.

btw, Darlok, your new avatar is badass, u know that?
Trying to ruin the "big hulk clad in metal" image?

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:42 pm

I agree with Konstantin. If you are forced to #i, what you surely are now, you have to give right information.
It doesn't really matter if you use !name or my proposal of the #i-function. You could break the namerules but I think it is also wrong to be forced to tell somebody your real name though he shouldn't know it. It is a part of RP to be able to tell wrong names without being recognized immediately.

I think it would be incomfortable to have to type the Number of a person (if enverybody had to use the !name). So I would propose a new function in the next client, e.g. [Shift]+[Strg]+[Click]+[Type the name into a box] or the #i, as I tought.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:45 pm

I still dont understand who and how someone is forcing you to introduce yourself.
Are they jumping out of your monitor and treat you with thier knifes ?

I have two characters who practily never introduce themself.
"Hello, I am James Everyboy."
- "Yeah, whatever ... whats the matter !?"
"Uh .... nothing."
- "G'day."

Or are you introducing yourself everytime when you talk to the cashier in the supermarket ?

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:54 pm

No, but if I introduce myself and tell them OOC that I won't use #i they will know I am a criminal. Many would mix up IC and OOC and my alias is destroyed.

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:54 pm

Well, ya, good point, Darlok.
That's one of my escapes for now.

But sometimes it's more like

-"Hello sir, I am James Everyboy. And what's your name?"
-"Uuuhh... doesn't matter."

Awkward silence.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:04 pm

Dont let your character get in the defensive position.
Be offensive.
I think its mainly your fault when someone wants a #i from you or when you are becomming suspicous.

Things like: "None of your buissness." , "Dosnt matter." are making you suspicious.

Try this way:

- "Did I do anything to make me your friend !? No ? So why do you bother me with your name ? Next you are starting to tell me from where you come what you are planing to do with your freetime and what your favourite pig is.
Face it ! I am not intressted in wasting my time with you."

[Silent moment]
" ... Mommy ?"

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:09 pm

And if you want to be inconspicuous and want to tell a false name, what really is a method of thieves?

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:26 pm

The question is:
Why would a thief want to talk with me ?

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:33 pm

I'm not only talking about thieves but perhaps about people who are "WANTED - dead or alive"

There are many reasons for giving a false name. Think of Shukk (I use her example very often). I asked her player to use #i but he/she told me that I shall use !name. I tried not to mix up IC with OOC but I knew that there was something wrong with her though Rackere didn't.

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:36 pm

Darlok wrote:The question is:
Why would a thief want to talk with me ?

There are more possibilities of being a thief than simply grab into a pocket. You could become trustworthy and then do something which is't expected from you.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:46 pm

Since we have no plastical surgeon in Illarion I wouldnt recommend this way.

If you want to get thrustworthy you have to become known first.
Your face is known, your voice is known, your way to walk is even known.

So your name will be the last of your problems then.

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:08 pm

I don't think about IG problems, but some people mix up IC and OOC and if you wouldn't #i if you're asked to do, you are seen untrustworthy by the other player and sometimes even by the char because of mixing up IC an OOC.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:18 pm

I understand this, but I think I showed you how to trick both Player and Char.

Avoid sentances like "My name is not important.".
They will make every alarmbell ring.
Be grumpy, unfriendly everything to be someone who nobody wants spend time with.