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The thing that REALLY gets me, is when they post messages IG talking like an orc.

Just because they talk like that doesn't mean that they will write like that. I expect bad grammar and spellings. Not "Yub!"

Sometimes I feel like I act too much of a dwarf.

sorry thurik, but you are the worrst played dwarf i ever saw. my opinion is, you should better play a halfing, instead of a dwarf. thurik have really as good as nothing of a real dwarf.

Galim wrote:

Sometimes I feel like I act too much of a dwarf.

sorry thurik, but you are the worrst played dwarf i ever saw. my opinion is, you should better play a halfing, instead of a dwarf. thurik have really as good as nothing of a real dwarf.

Someone's jealous.

um, there is no logic in your post. sorry, a question, have you serious problems? perhaps too hot bathes in your childhood? or perhaps you got hit by a baseball?

no, serious. please post serious, and don't do senseless postings.

Whoa... You lost me Galim.

This is a great example of the "ego". He dismisses Galim's words as an attack, rather than advice. So he defends him self, not even bothering to inquire why Galim might think this. How much of the back of your head can you see? I am guessing not much. Maybe someone else sees something you don't, instead of taking "your hair is messed up in the back" as an insult, you can try to make it better by trying to correct it and asking the other person if it looks better. If you are questioning your roleplay you might ask a gm for advice, or reread sections of moonsilver.

Are you being serious Gro'bul?

Har!

My character is intended to be the way he is. I think that a frame base that you have to follow is a bunch of bullshit, IMO.

I was only kidding with my post. No need to use me as an example of something I wasn't being serious about.

My character is intended to be the way he is.

I think you forget something important, and that is that your character should be also like it is usual for the race. play a dwarf as a dwarf, and don't come with the "i want to be a dwarf who is not like a dwarf, because that is cool, uhuh".

you should NEVER forget that the roleplay of your character depents on his race too. and your dwraf is NO dwarf, he acts like a halfling on bad drugs.

So...

Now you want to get into stereo types? Shame on you Galim. I taught you better.

taught me what? huh?? please, take your pink pills and stop that foolish talking.

stereotypes, well, races ARE stereotype. but this stereotype can have many, many different shades. but you have with your rp no such shades. thurik is a character in the wrong body.


If you don't wnat to play the stereotype of dwarf , don't paly a dwarf. chose a race which fits better for the rp, but NEVER take a race and play it different than their stereotype because you think that is good and cool rp, it isn't it, it is CRAP.

Crap can be good sometimes.

Yes I am being serious. Stereo typing is essential so we don't have bread weilding demons and magical flying dwarves with heat seeking exploding tomatoes. Your character was born and lives in Illarion, not in your bathroom tub or kitchen cupboard. Retarded people and schizophrenics would probobly be executed for supposedly being posses by otherworldy beings. Medieval society could not handle or care for these kinds of abnormalities so they disposed of them as "humanely" as they could.

Crap is something for junk eaters or tibia players.... Dont forget that bad rp destroy the fun of the game. And rp depends on the char....

Dolgan

magical flying dwarves with heat seeking exploding tomatoes

That gives me an idea...

Remember Thurik,
if too many player complain about a general lack of sensible roleplay from your side, maybe the privilege of playing in Illarion, at least with that said character, might be removed from you.

I know a case where someone was told to stop playing a character because he rejected common things of the characters race.

Passing the Account Test once, does not mean lifetime access to Illarion and a diploma in roleplay.

Darlok is right.


if you don'T want to play a character which is greedy, thickheaded, beerloving and easy to anger and loves it to smith and mine, than, you should NOT chose a dwarf.

Can you come back to topic please?

Bloodhearte said:

The orcs I've seen usually wander Trollsbane as friendly as humans, passing by without question. Sure, the players roleplay them fine, but...one who wants to take that character seriously and have fun with it will have a tough time.

Maybe you and I have come across different orcs ... I've seen a few too many orcs that seem a little too quick to anger, that would try to kill you for almost nothing.

Bloodhearte said:

2.) Ignore me, and continue to hack up pigs, cook, raise skills.

Killing pigs doesn't exactly give you fantastic skills, but maybe the person ignores you because they are an arrogant character, or something. Maybe they just want to do their job and get there money without having to speak with people.
I don't think that hacking pigs is wrong, for most new characters it can be the first way of making a little money to buy tools and start to get into their trade.

Hermie wrote:

2.) Ignore me, and continue to hack up pigs, cook, raise skills.

Killing pigs doesn't exactly give you fantastic skills, but maybe the person ignores you because they are an arrogant character, or something. Maybe they just want to do their job and get there money without having to speak with people.
I don't think that hacking pigs is wrong, for most new characters it can be the first way of making a little money to buy tools and start to get into their trade.

When I ignore someone, I usually let them know... #me ignores the man, not really interested, or just #me ignores the man. That way you KNOW he is an arrogant, bitchy char

I think this was a problematic discussion in the first place.
It works when you play P&P RPG and you know the other players a bit better; know how different they are in person from their character or not, but over the internet, where you don't know the players in person, who are we to judge who's playing in-persona and who's playing in-character?
I play the character Sian. He's crazy, not only because he killed his father himself and he's looking for the murderer. That being said, his mind's snapped in a few other aspects. For example, he gets along better with orcs than mostly any other race aside from humans, because he suffers the naive delusion that the orcs are the most straight-forward race. Sian's the type of character who'd have the potential to be a hero, but his past is of a thief and murderer and criminal - and he keeps this a secret from most people for a good reason. What his future is, depends on the RP that arises with the other characters. But the way he is now, he's definitely an adventurer, who goes out to places where people prefer not to, climbing on trees and into holes or trying to fight off a Troll away from the east gate, whenever he's trying to avoid working.

Now, following things that have been said in this thread, this would indicate that I'm persona playing, because
A) he's not following the traditional rules of ig racism (Where were they written, anyway?) and I am not racistic either, and
B) he's one of those "potential-hero-types" you seem to despise so greatly and that are apparently not needed in Illarion*, and
C) I'm lazy as a person as well as the character is lazy.
*I beg to differ if I look at some situations ig. I even dare to say most people don't even know what makes up a "hero" and what doesn't. Can some of you differentiate between adventurers and heroes? It's an important question you should ask yourselves before you play a fantasy RPG. An adventurer is someone who's too lazy to do normal work, so he/she goes on adventures. A hero is someone who acts completely out of the ordinary at a certain given time and actually changes something by doing so, despite an unbeatable or overpowering opposition (not in the sense of force alone, i.e. Ghandi can be considered a hero from our world)

Alright. I'm persona playing, you think, now? Again, I beg to differ. My person irl is one who follows pretty much every dam' law in every dam' book. He's not got the glib tongue of a rogue that Sian has. He doesn't fight against any form of racism, he hardly leaves the god-dam' walls of any building other to get food or something else. Also, as a person, I'm tendencially more a "neutral" person than Sian, who is a convicted, naive, incompetent moron in most of the things he does.
By the way, if it wouldn't be for the game system letting your skills go up so quickly, he'd only be use of as a fighter and thief, but he's apparently a master lumberjacker now from hacking so much wood for other people. (this is just some food for thought from a newb player to Illarion, but a long-time RPer: I've only been playing for a short time, weeks, and I don't understand how my character can become a master in something so quickly, especially because it doesn't fit to the character).
That all being said, I do wonder what some people play games for. Is it for having fun with other people or just for having fun with yourself? If you ask yourself that question, and answer it honestly, you'll know what to work on to not persona-play - and you'll understand why I wrote up top that this is a problematic discussion. It's because I'm asking you people: who you are to judge this so quickly?
You all just want to play and have fun, otherwise you wouldn't address this as an issue; and after all the community here prides itself in the fact that people still actually RP on Illarion. And apparently, other people just want to play and have fun clicking with their mouse and admire the astounding graphics of Illarion, and they will not take the time and fun in "deep" RP like people like you and me, perhaps they haven't grasped the concept of RP yet. These "others" do not detract from the gameplay for me though, they're just "around" but they don't seem to affect the world around them greatly, because, to be quite frank, does anybody react nicely to weak RP? This thread indicates otherwise, and I didn't think so myself. Also being said, the good RPers have much more influence in this game than the ones who aren't. Therefore, weakly played characters grow forgotten, while interesting ones get stuck in your head and memory and keep this game so alive.
And is that really that bad?
I mean, it's like saying one character has more charisma than the other, although it's actually bringing the PO's RPing skills into the mesh and replacing it with that.
I'd recommend to react to persona-playing ig, and act appropriately to the character you're playing. Why get your own ego into this and get annoyed with it? If it's too hard for someone else to break free from their self and play a character different from their own personality, and play that character convincingly, I don't think it's my problem - they might get hurt if they bring their personality into it and my character just doesn't respect it (for example, a beggar). If you keep up a high level of convincing RP around these people, they'll eventually catch up on the train and hop on board. If you just address this problem and don't address the respective people directly, it's pretty much a pointless discussion.
I'm sure this wouldn't be a discussion if the people addressing the problem wouldn't bring a bit of their own persona into play now and then, themselves.
What's more persona-playing to you: Playing multiple characters and not letting a single one evolve/develop to the things around the character (because every one has some aspects of yourself flowing into it), or a single one who strongly shifts and changes gradually over time, with outside influence?
If you ask me, it doesn't matter, it's another, perhaps off-topic, problematic question, for an already problematic discussion.

Orcs are nice are they, ahh bless. Assumptions, assumptions assumptions.

Me whistles a tune and walks away

The thing with the orcs, the most of them anyways is that a couple months ago they were completely peaceful and rarely killed. Then seemingly overnight they were suddenly killers and could trap you with elaborate plans.

I've seen a lot of racial... quirks. Not exactly problems, but things like that. One of which is not hearing the horns of the Bloodskulls being blown before a hunt lately. But things like elven lumberjacks, and elves themselves thinking that everyone is equal, and that they aren't a proud race. Thurik is a little annoying, an inconsistant, but he does play an annoying character well. I guess Sian was right, we are no judges of character. Be that a pun as it may. I guess people only complain when things aren't as enjoyable as they want, then maybe the problem is with ourselves, for not making our RP as strong as the other peoples Persona Play. Maybe if we strengthened ourselves, with role play between characters as strong as it was around the time of Dalrok's drought (although I have a few complaints about THAT as rp) we wouldn't even NOTICE the horrible RP and just think those characters are crazy.

yes, he plays an annoiying character well. but he don't play a dwarf. that is the point. the roleplay, he shows with thurik, could be shown with every other race too, and it would make no different. he would just look different.

thruik DON'T act like a dwarf, his rp is NOT the rp of a dwarf. that was the point. not if he plays the annyoing guy good or well. when he plays a dwarf who is annyoing, than he should not just play the annoying guy, but the dwarf too.

Domitrio wrote:I've seen a lot of racial... quirks. Not exactly problems, but things like that. [.......] But things like elven lumberjacks, and elves themselves thinking that everyone is equal, and that they aren't a proud race.

Great point here. I suggest that elves get a little more proud again, not the softies that love the world and everything (including orcs) in it. They wouldn't have to be like me, just be a little more proud of their advantages.....Elves should be people that look down a little on other races, and wouldn't bother with their kibbling, and their acts...because they would outlive them anyway

Killing pigs doesn't exactly give you fantastic skills, but maybe the person ignores you because they are an arrogant character, or something. Maybe they just want to do their job and get there money without having to speak with people.
I don't think that hacking pigs is wrong, for most new characters it can be the first way of making a little money to buy tools and start to get into their trade.

I always figured it was so they can get an assload of leather to tailor with.

Indeed I would like to see the Elves rpous and egotistic...but many try this and all they seem to accomplish is being a rude asshole. A person can be egotistical and arrogant without making everyone angry at the same time.

Definiotion of arrogance

Making, or having the disposition to make, exorbitant claims of rank or estimation; giving one's self an undue degree of importance; assuming; haughty; - applied to persons.

arrogant - having or showing feelings of unwarranted importance out of overbearing pride; "an arrogant official"; "arrogant claims"; "chesty as a peacock"
Synonyms: self-important, chesty

Once again, it does not mean to gather three Elves around and throw insults at everyone who walks by. If anything, those Elves would never speak to anyone because they would feel the creatures were below them. But from what I remember...weren't Elves mainly just proud and just a tiny bit arrogant?

I'm unsure about the elves. The ones I saw were played pretty good. Calm to an almost drugged state, speaking as if they were on top of the world and ready to rip it from mankind.

P.S - I imagine these posts will be frowned upon if the word "ass" is typed again.

I think each of us players has a specific race that he excells in. Personally I like halfers, I thought my Brumba was a well played one, and he was complimented. Walt's best race was Elves, no one could say that Arcia wasn't, and he's played other ones before that were just as good. When I think of orks I think Veralion and Kruuba, and Lizards Xanthe Salathe and maybe even Fooser pop up. Very few people can transcend races and keep their RP fresh and well if you ask me. But some of them that do are very good at it.

Is this a sample of poor RP below?

Player A sees player B on the North-West side of the Troll's Bane town. Player B is not allowed to cross the town borders.

Player A frowns.
Player A: Last time I saw you, you were in the South. It means you have crossed the town.
Player B: Not at all. I used my little boat and rode around.
Player A: Right...

Now, is it fair to deny this possibility, knowing that technical capabilities of the game client do not support boat travel and that the map is divided in such way that you cannot go from south to north without crossing the town? If you read the RPG forums and character descriptions, it is clear that player A does in fact own a boat. But if you view it OOC, the character cannot use a boat ingame. So, is this fair or is this abuse of technical knowledge of the game?
(by the way, why IS the map divided this way? Make a detour!)

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