Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:48 pm
In this case I advise you to read this topic again, and cover your head in shame.
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:49 pm
oh the thing i wrote to martin
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:08 pm
I guess they'll tell ya that you insulted me.
As I am involved in this I stay outside, my judgement would be biased I guess.
However, I don't want to close this subject, all I want is a little game.
Guess what his graphic should be.
http://stud3.tuwien.ac.at/~e9525060/whatthefuck.gif
This is what our Drake produced.
My tip, as mentioned earlier, does have something to do with digestion.
Martin
As I am involved in this I stay outside, my judgement would be biased I guess.
However, I don't want to close this subject, all I want is a little game.
Guess what his graphic should be.
http://stud3.tuwien.ac.at/~e9525060/whatthefuck.gif
This is what our Drake produced.
My tip, as mentioned earlier, does have something to do with digestion.
Martin
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:13 pm
Kann ich mitmachen? 
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:28 pm
Nein.
Martin
Martin
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:44 pm
Sieht aus, wie meine Schuhsohlen...
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:15 pm
It's a frankfurter levitating next to an oblong piece of wood. Modern art at it's best.
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:33 pm
Drake's comment wasn't needed, but how come martin gets away with it everytime?
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:35 pm
Martin *gets away with it* because his isn't vulgar and sexually explicit.
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:36 pm
it is still an insult nonetheless...
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:08 am
A: Its the truth.Alsyth Astha wrote:but how come martin gets away with it everytime?
B: Because you take it personally when he is talking about your graphics, not you.
C: You don't have to read it if you don't want to.
D: (probobly the most important) So people (like me) don't constantly send in unusable peices of crap they think are good but are not.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:48 am
Dude, if you insult somebodies work still insulting them. Second, if it is true doesn't make it right.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:57 am
Alsyth Astha wrote:Dude, if you insult somebodies work still insulting them. Second, if it is true doesn't make it right.
Accually telling the truth does make it right, it doesn't mislead to the creator to think it might be any good when its not just to make the person replying look "good".http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=truth wrote: a. Reality; actuality
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:34 am
He still insults, he could break it in a nicer way.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:21 am
oh boohoo... my gosh. get over it... 
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:25 am
so he can break the rules then?
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:31 am
oh my gosh hes not breaking the rules.. he speaking the truth
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:46 am
in an insulting manner
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:03 am
Its only insulting if you take it that way.Alsyth Astha wrote:in an insulting manner
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:30 am
and being gay is an insult?
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:36 am
Should I hand out some more warnings, for spamming perhaps?
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:21 am
my points are valid...I am just speaking my voice and obeying the rules. No spamming is done here.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:16 pm
What else are you doing then spamming?? Jeez ...
Martin might be a little rude sometimes, but he's a nice guy (believe it or not)
Your argumenting just like a little kid and it is annoying. To be called gay is not an insult, but to say it like the way this Draken kid said it it is an insult and nothing different since it is not based on the truth and he just said to ... whatever ... make him feel good about himself.
I don't know why he wrote it, but it wasn't nice at all ...
And Alsyth, if you thing Martin needs to be banned (wow ... he is not even playing the game
) and you thing someone could make better graphics for free for this game...then write a letter to another gm and tell him about it. But stop spamming the board with this crap!
Martin might be a little rude sometimes, but he's a nice guy (believe it or not)
Your argumenting just like a little kid and it is annoying. To be called gay is not an insult, but to say it like the way this Draken kid said it it is an insult and nothing different since it is not based on the truth and he just said to ... whatever ... make him feel good about himself.
I don't know why he wrote it, but it wasn't nice at all ...
And Alsyth, if you thing Martin needs to be banned (wow ... he is not even playing the game
) and you thing someone could make better graphics for free for this game...then write a letter to another gm and tell him about it. But stop spamming the board with this crap!Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:16 pm
The big difference here is that what Drake said is homophobic and sexually explicit. Do I have to explain why it's homophobic?
I suppose I do, although it should be common sense. He's not only implying explicitly that Martin is homosexual, but, beyond that, he's implying slightly less explicitly that it's a bad thing.
Wait. There's more that he did wrong. He also stated that Martin not only is in to intercourse with animals, but propositions young boys over instant messages.
Do I have to explain why what Martin does is different? Some folks are slow; I suppose I do.
When someone submits a graphic they're soliciting Martin to enter that graphic into the game. He's doing them a favor for even acknowledging their work! Considering that, is itan insult to say, "This work isn't good for many reasons," or is it simply the truth?
Further, considering that he's doing them a favor for even acknowledging their work, is it an insult to make it even more plain to them to make sure that they don't bother him further? No! That just makes his work all the more easy.
Aside from that, what Martin does is an artform that is entertaining at worst. What Drake does is offensive to anyone who has any sensibilities.
Also, is there a prize for whoever guesses what exactly that image is? My guess is that it's a groovy mustache that male characters can grow. I reccomend you put it in the game right away, Martin!
I suppose I do, although it should be common sense. He's not only implying explicitly that Martin is homosexual, but, beyond that, he's implying slightly less explicitly that it's a bad thing.
Wait. There's more that he did wrong. He also stated that Martin not only is in to intercourse with animals, but propositions young boys over instant messages.
Do I have to explain why what Martin does is different? Some folks are slow; I suppose I do.
When someone submits a graphic they're soliciting Martin to enter that graphic into the game. He's doing them a favor for even acknowledging their work! Considering that, is itan insult to say, "This work isn't good for many reasons," or is it simply the truth?
Further, considering that he's doing them a favor for even acknowledging their work, is it an insult to make it even more plain to them to make sure that they don't bother him further? No! That just makes his work all the more easy.
Aside from that, what Martin does is an artform that is entertaining at worst. What Drake does is offensive to anyone who has any sensibilities.
Also, is there a prize for whoever guesses what exactly that image is? My guess is that it's a groovy mustache that male characters can grow. I reccomend you put it in the game right away, Martin!
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:56 pm
The only thing i can say: The most of us need more practice. Its not easy to make good graphics and we are no profesionals. Someone must sort out the graphics to prevent, that illarion looks like patchwork in the next client.
Thats part of martins job, i think.
So let him decide whats in and whats not.
My work isnt good all the time and he criticizes me too. So i try to be better.
But its no reason to call him gay or somewhat else.
Thats part of martins job, i think.
So let him decide whats in and whats not.
My work isnt good all the time and he criticizes me too. So i try to be better.
But its no reason to call him gay or somewhat else.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:48 pm
yes, and telling someone that there work is not good is not bad, but the way martin does it is. You just keep contradicting yourself. I can't respect martin if he can't respect others. And no he shouldn't be banned, and even if I thought he should I don't think he would be. A lot of people just don't understand why people can't respect him or break out like draken, (little to severe). But seeing as I am me I have to watch my step more then others, so I will stop now.Martin might be a little rude sometimes, but he's a nice guy (believe it or not)
Your argumenting just like a little kid and it is annoying. To be called gay is not an insult, but to say it like the way this Draken kid said it it is an insult and nothing different since it is not based on the truth and he just said to ... whatever ... make him feel good about himself.
I don't know why he wrote it, but it wasn't nice at all ...
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:32 pm
I mostly do not insult persons but what I do is to critisize their graphical work (sometimes their spelling ). If they make their work public they should look at it critical first. Afterwards they should know that I will maybe not like it that much.
If you don't post pixels that look like shit or something, you'll never get in contact with me (that way). As soon as you start asking stupid questions (which are all answered in the FAQ (which also referrs to google!)) I assume that you are stupid (for not reading the FAQ). If you start asking what the four things on that big metal thing are I won't consider you to be a formula 1 star. If you know what you mean. And therefore I won't let you participate in a formula 1 racing. That's it, the rest is entertainment.
Martin
). If they make their work public they should look at it critical first. Afterwards they should know that I will maybe not like it that much.If you don't post pixels that look like shit or something, you'll never get in contact with me (that way). As soon as you start asking stupid questions (which are all answered in the FAQ (which also referrs to google!)) I assume that you are stupid (for not reading the FAQ). If you start asking what the four things on that big metal thing are I won't consider you to be a formula 1 star. If you know what you mean. And therefore I won't let you participate in a formula 1 racing. That's it, the rest is entertainment.
Martin
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:47 pm
dude, I don't mind the criticism, but thte harshness is what bothers me. Sugar coat a response, it will go a whole lot farther then a blunt rude statement. It will help you and the person, they don't need to hear a blunt statement to hear they suck, instead give them encouragement to keep trying to get better.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:04 pm
If feel that this is somehow related to the fact that people can't deal with honest criticism nowdays. Encouragement and interest to do things should come from yourself. If you need positive feedback in order to carry on doing the thing, I guess that you should either: 1. stop making graphics 2. not to post them here until you've reached certain level of sophistication.
I mean, what's your problem with Martin exactly? Why the hell should he "sugar coat" his response if the graphic sucks? Give me a break, there's got to be some limit for the desire of protected life. Well boo-hoo, he said that your graphics sucked.. I guess they did suck, then?
You contradict yourself by saying that you don't mind criticism, but then say that the harshness bothers you? Do you think that everyone is going to sugarcoat their criticism towards you in the future? Well, you are wrong. You should learn to cope with it, in fact you should be thanking martin for giving you a kick of reality to the arse every now and then.
This pisses me off, people complaining about Martin are the same kind of people that sue McDonalds for not telling that their coffee is hot.
I mean, what's your problem with Martin exactly? Why the hell should he "sugar coat" his response if the graphic sucks? Give me a break, there's got to be some limit for the desire of protected life. Well boo-hoo, he said that your graphics sucked.. I guess they did suck, then?
You contradict yourself by saying that you don't mind criticism, but then say that the harshness bothers you? Do you think that everyone is going to sugarcoat their criticism towards you in the future? Well, you are wrong. You should learn to cope with it, in fact you should be thanking martin for giving you a kick of reality to the arse every now and then.
This pisses me off, people complaining about Martin are the same kind of people that sue McDonalds for not telling that their coffee is hot.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:25 pm
No, because if I do they think that they could steal my time and ask me stupid questions. They think that they might be talented when in fact they are not.Alsyth Astha wrote: instead give them encouragement to keep trying to get better.
They think that in future maybe their work will be implemented when in fact this is very unlikely to happen.
They think that I have the time and nerves to tell them how to do things and to be some kind of teacher when in fact I am not.
They will start submitting tons of useless graphics, will start asking questions which they could easily answer themselves etc.
NO.
Don't submit shit and I won't insult your work (NOT you, again, I don't tell people that THEY suck but I tell them that their WORK sucks, which is very different!). Submit good things and I will give you tipps. Thats it.
Martin