Problem in The Community

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:58 pm

.. No, none of our monies came from Bane.

Dariya · Post by **Dariya** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:59 pm

what was the topic again? ...

Vern Kron · Post by **Vern Kron** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:00 pm

Its true enough. The goverment has amassed basically an army behind it, and they can do whatever they please. Lets go attack the Grey Rose, but this isn't Troll's Bane matters, it is just half their guard getting involved. Oh lets threaten every person in sight because you SPOKE to some one.
People should not be trying to conquor the entire island, and break in to where ever and do what ever they want. Continueing the proccess of destroying everything insight, and threatening everyone will lead you to be ruling an island, on which no one but the goverment lives on. Troll's Bane is a huge important city, that should not be in a basic millitary rule, it makes too many people unhappy.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:01 pm

I'm not quite sure, but I'd guess it's about a problem.. in the community..

And @Vern: No no no, half the guard wasn't involved, half the ATTACKERS were guards. That makes 1 guard, since it was 2 attackers that did the attack.

And if you're unhappy, move to Var.. actually, bad idea. Move to Caelum! Where EVERYONE is happy!

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:04 pm

There was a time when the government had accumilated a powerful force of good characters, when Siltaris was Governour and Samantha was Magistrate.

I remember the bad chars getting constantly clouded for the slightest things or entering Trolls bane even, yet strangely enough the bad chars didn't complain or post anything to do with it i beleive.

It looks like the bad chars are getting their own back, so all that needs to be done is deal with it ingame, and nowhere else.

Vern Kron · Post by **Vern Kron** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:05 pm

Same point. People act all goody goody in town, and not ten steps out of the city gate they attack and act like villians. If they act good in town, they should be good everywhere, if they act bad out of town they should everywhere.

Greisling · Post by **Greisling** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:06 pm

Right, Alex... well done...

OT: Right @ Vern

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:06 pm

Hellooo... these are IG matters.. you don't like it, stay out of bane with your char, the end. I don't like the rose, so I stay out of it

Azuros · Post by **Azuros** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:12 pm

Retlak wrote:There was a time when the government had accumilated a powerful force of good characters, when Siltaris was Governour and Samantha was Magistrate.

I remember the bad chars getting constantly clouded for the slightest things or entering Trolls bane even, yet strangely enough the bad chars didn't complain or post anything to do with it i beleive.

It looks like the bad chars are getting their own back, so all that needs to be done is deal with it ingame, and nowhere else.

I'm sorry but, how is it in anyway illogical for the head of a town to order the criminals to be attacked/taken prisoner on sight? They're not exactly innocent if they're banned. I think I do remember some complaining too about Samantha.

Greisling · Post by **Greisling** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:13 pm

Maybe it is just my impression, but do people like Crommy, Alex, Retlak or Avalyon see no problem with the current situation?

@ Retlak: If bad guys would have moaned in these tims for getting clouded for not following the laws, they would have lost all their credibility. Actually, there were complains, anyway.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:15 pm

Azuros wrote:
Retlak wrote:There was a time when the government had accumilated a powerful force of good characters, when Siltaris was Governour and Samantha was Magistrate.

I remember the bad chars getting constantly clouded for the slightest things or entering Trolls bane even, yet strangely enough the bad chars didn't complain or post anything to do with it i beleive.

It looks like the bad chars are getting their own back, so all that needs to be done is deal with it ingame, and nowhere else.

I'm sorry but, how is it in anyway illogical for the head of a town to order the criminals to be attacked/taken prisoner on sight? They're not exactly innocent if they're banned. I think I do remember some complaining too about Samantha.

Yeah, when she went to the cross, healed herself then pked the others.

And why would I see a problem? I've played on both sides, I prefer the attitude from the bad side I guess. Like "Meh, we just got owned", like when Dom and Griv tried to solo Varshikar

, rather than the other option. And presently, I see nothing wrong with the infrastructure. Okay, maybe Dain is a bit out of line (a lot out of line), but this doesn't bother me; he gets the job done and TB is functioning well.

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:15 pm

I didn't say it was illogical that the bad chars got clouded easilly for the slightest things (Obviously they would be).

I just made a point that when the tables turn, everyone cries.

It is completely an ingame matter.

PS. The reason we see no problem with this matter is because it's an ingame issue, not something to whine about over the forums.

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:19 pm

it's a IG matter, stop moarning here!
END
love,
Marius
lol

Greisling · Post by **Greisling** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:26 pm

Okay, slowly I get annoyed by the ignorance some of you guys show!

The point is:
Former governments have encouraged and supported people for being in town, for living there, for trading there, for making them an easy life - except those, of course, who did not follow the law and thus were criminals.

Now, the new government has its own 'laws', which actually means there is no law at all. So, there is nothing players can rely on - this is the opposite of encouraging people for being in town.
Furthermore, and perhaps more important, is the fact that this new Riod-Government does attack other towns like Grey Rose, Varshikar and Nordmark. They are abusing their powers by doing so.

Since there is noone currently who could stand the powergamed warriors and mages this government can call AND due to the fact that the POs of this bunch of characters obviously would never accept an appropriate punishment for all their actions they've done, there is little motivation within other guilds to stop TB's people - that is why GM intervention is needed here.

Please try to understand these points.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:27 pm

If you don't like Bane, why do you stay a citizen? Why do you think there are other towns?

Why should they overthrow Cromwell anymore than they should have overthrown Siltaris and Samantha?

Vern Kron · Post by **Vern Kron** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:29 pm

I agree with Griesling, but lets give it a little more time. Something will need to be done, but something may be being done, maybe the characters will suddenly experience an elightenment...or go hide on the mainland or something. Basically, it is becoming rediculously hard for "good" characters to live, because if they are friendly and say one wrong thing, they are killed. If they are in town when a bad character is, they will most likely be noted, and when the person leaves, killed.

Pellandria · Post by **Pellandria** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:29 pm

Yes go to varshikar, you will be attacked, go to the grey rose, again you will be attacked, but oh well forget it greisling these people have either a problem with themself or are just inmature arrogant people.

Mr. Cromwell · Post by **Mr. Cromwell** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:30 pm

Greisling wrote:Cause he pushed into ya's ***, I s'pose.

That would be what Siltaris did. How much did she pay for Taliss?

@Vern & Greisling

And well, Trollsbane has not threatened anyone with war. Trollsbane is not seeking to conquer [sic] the entire island. When speaking of war, all Trollsbane has done thus far has been is to state: "War? Bring it on then." Unless you have noticed, the other states have been the ones issuing ultimatums all the time. But that's of course fine and dandy.

Can do whatever they please. Hasn't done anything. Would you at the very least agree on what you will blame the government about? Did attacks on people begin on the day Cromwell got in office? No.

As for you, Greisling: There is an option for people to try and protect themselves from crime (registration/citizenship), but they instead choose to piss and moan on the boards. Has crime been legalized? No, legal protection has been revoked from some, on purely logical IC grounds. Are you helping the situation of your characters yourselves? Not at all.

If there is a bloody door in there, I can't push you all through it. So when you are too lazy or ignorant to try any of the solutions yourselves (push the door, turn the handle.. etc) it makes the entire point of your bitching and moaning redundant.

Should some of the bad guys check their behaviour? Yes. Should I be more active? Yes. Should you guys try to help the situation yourselves instead of being a bunch of crybabies? Definately.

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:30 pm

The Trolls bane government isn't overpowerly powergamed warriors and mages doing what they like.

The only corrupt guard who attacks whatever he likes (Even before becoming a guard) Is Dain, The rest like William mind their own business.

Since this is the case, i beleive the attack on the grey rose failed quite nicely.

This makes the Grey rose overpowered with powergamers? No. It just means that your basing the entire government off one corrupt character.

Greisling · Post by **Greisling** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:32 pm

If you don't like Bane, why do you stay a citizen? Why do you think there are other towns?

Darn, Alex, read the whole posting please or shut up!! You are young, yes, but please try not to be that stupid!

Why should they overthrow Cromwell anymore than they should have overthrown Siltaris and Samantha?

this sentence makes no sense

An upset Greisling

Vern Kron · Post by **Vern Kron** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:32 pm

Exactly, we go to other towns, and oh look, there they are. Go to anouther one, hello again! There is NO WHERE to go, those people no longer obey the rules other goverments have made, and really could care less, they will go to any lengths to take out a target, even if they are in an armed fortress, surrounded by molten lava, and outnumber the enemy 1 to 3. When there are two people attacking.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:33 pm

Pellandria wrote:Yes go to varshikar, you will be attacked, go to the grey rose, again you will be attacked, but oh well forget it greisling these people have either a problem with themself or are just inmature arrogant people.

You'll be attacked if you insult the attackers, that's just obvious. The spontaneously Dom attack happened once ever and the attackers lost. Grey Rose isn't a town, and they lost anyway. Your point?

Achae Eanstray · Post by **Achae Eanstray** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:35 pm

Has a shady char that got ghosted by other shady chars Solution: avoid the other shady chars and "look" different so is not recognized.

Honestly, I have good and shady chars playing sometimes both the same day. My "good" chars rarely get robbed and when they have it has been fun. It was also fun when my shady char got robbed, though embarrasing considering a strong fighter probably shouldn't have gotten robbed... though she was tricked

. I hate to be ghosted with good and bad chars due to in game mechanics (skill loss) not other things. I haven't had any ghosting that was done without adaquete RP except NPC's. Like Cromwell, I am more scared of the slash and hack newbies then anything else ig. IMO the ones that should be discussing anything related to this are the ones that have both chars... this is the only fair way to discuss something that affects both chars.

Vern Kron · Post by **Vern Kron** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:37 pm

THe point is...even if some one goes somewehere, there will be no escape. The group of people have no fear, and cromwell is part at fault for this because he put Dain in power, and is suspected for much more. Ofcourse we could push the door, and that makes sense, until behind the door is a group of very strong people, who could easily rip you limb from limb, even with a group of fifty people.

Greisling · Post by **Greisling** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:41 pm

Should some of the bad guys check their behaviour? Yes. Should I be more active? Yes.

/signed

Should you guys try to help the situation yourselves instead of being a bunch of crybabies? Definately.

I've tried. But due to inactivity of your government and due to stupidity of some of the PO's which are close to your government, it is useless and makes no fun any more.

I'll go for for a nap. Seems ya guys will never get the point.

Mr. Cromwell · Post by **Mr. Cromwell** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:45 pm

Vern Kron wrote:THe point is...even if some one goes somewehere, there will be no escape. The group of people have no fear, and cromwell is part at fault for this because he put Dain in power, and is suspected for much more. Ofcourse we could push the door, and that makes sense, until behind the door is a group of very strong people, who could easily rip you limb from limb, even with a group of fifty people.

You don't apparently understand the situation.

Unlike Siltaris, Cromwell is not one of the top fighters on the island. However, he is connected. Part of the problem are characters like Pellandria (who unsurprisingly now bitches) who have refused to cooperate with the government one bit after the election. The PO should very well know what I am talking about. You can't have everything you know. You can't be the rebel and expect and pat on the shoulder.

It's not my intention to grief people, and if people are really unhappy with the way things are going, I'll abdicate with my character or something. However, I won't do it yet. I have actually sent a message to one of the builders earlier and requested some plans for buildings in the bane. Anyway, I think here are some people who are just fundamentally upset about the thought of anyone short of Jesus Christ in terms of personal characteristics in charge of the town, so I will just say: Whatever.

Besides, what is mentioned here as actions of the trollsbane government is actually 'one' member of the Trollsbane government acting on his own.

Mr. Cromwell · Post by **Mr. Cromwell** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:58 pm

I can also add, that when it comes to motivating me, this thread really does no good.

I shall keep the Registration list (Residency) up to date, and ooc encourage the guards not to harass those people (residents and citizens) unless they are really asking for it. That's a lot of ooc-ing, but we must keep our pampered goodie-players happy it seems. That's fine, everyone 'should' in the optimal situation have fun and enjoy the game.

However:
I won't try to change the behaviour of other people's characters with OOC from now on. Ever. If you do not make use these backdoors, then you are one to blame and if you have complaints, sod off with them.

I hope that this compromise is enough to offer a degree of satisfaction for everyone. Lets be civil you dumbasses.

Mr. Cromwell · Post by **Mr. Cromwell** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:20 am

Hey

Due to the enormous amount of bitching by the good guys; I would ooc request that you will keep an eye on the citizenship and resident list and won't rob, murder, harass or intimidate the characters on either list when they are not asking for it (causing trouble, preaching revolution, disobeying.. et cetera). We should leave an option for those who do not want to be killed and robbed a lot, when this seems to really anger a lot of players and that should not be the point of the game. We have the power now, so I guess we can be a bit more considerate than the good guys when they are at it.

And besides, I'm tired of the endless bitching that goes on. If that makes it stop, would be nice. There's no way I can enforce this on any of you, so use your judgement, and I hope you agree with my judgement.

Even if your character didn't participate in such stuff, it doesn't matter. I hope to inform everyone involved of this.

Regz
Po Crommy

I put that for every member of the government, guard and such. (Except Dantagon, since that would be waste of time. I know he ain't robbing nobody..

)

Just so you know, I'm not going lift a finger to make it any more comfortable for anyone. Now it is in your hands.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:27 am

Everyone should have voted for fooser

Taliss Kazzxs · Post by **Taliss Kazzxs** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:32 am

I don’t quite understand your actions Crommy ..Edward put a criminal in charge of the guard and now, be it by quest or player action the government and the guard is going to feel the consequences of it ..so why is it needed to mix ooc with in-game?