Roleplay or Persona Play?

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Grant Herion wrote:Its irritating when someone tells you your perception is poor and you need to play by the rules Keikan set up? Then you shouldn't be playing this game if you play your character with only his advantages at heart. Just because players with bad perception literally can see as far as anyone with good perception doesn't mean that players with the bad perceptioned character shouldn't roleplay the rules, because then you ARE persona playing, you are so attached to your character you are thinking, "oh well, I know Kasume better then anyone, he really can see well despite I didn't put any perception levels into it when I made him". It would be best, to stop this hulkamania we have in this game, by making the screen of view smaller for people with bad perception, but i doubt that is possible at the time, but it would deffinetly stop people from making monster characters.
Ok, this is my last and final post towards this subject in this thread.

I've gone into the character sheet and have decided. The flawless acts that K mentions, is almost impossible to do if you follow your character strictly based on stats.

For the situation that K mentions, for there to be no flaws, no possible chance of being noticed, they must have max:

-Agility
-Dexterity
-Intelligence
-Perception

That completely uses up your 60 stat points given to you before set anything else. Meaning you're left with all the rest at 3. Meaning that with 3 strength, you probably cannot even pull the string to let the arrow fly at reasonable power.
Low constitution meaning being drastically hurt by just a wooden shovel. And catches illnesses very easily.
No essence. Meaning that your character has little passion for anything. Which I see little of that role played. Though I doubt anyone ever puts points into essence, including myself (I wish I knew my stats :lol: ).
No willpower. No sense to actually commit this act on your own. You may have been able to think of a reasonable situation and figured out the dynamics of commiting the act without being caught, but the will do actually commit the act is not there.

Now you may wonder why you need the stats that I mentioned above for the situation to be flawless.

Agility - Able to turn the corner and back shooting the arrow in a mino second. Requires much agility if you're not to be noticed at all.
Dexterity - The ability to actually aim for your target. If you want to make the shot count towards a one hit kill, I suggest you're going to need good dexterity.
Intelligence - To actually think of the situation diligently with no flaws, you're going to need extreme intelligence and knowledge of physics and other things. So I suggest a good brain. A very good one if you want to be flawless and not be noticed (this also includes knowing areas in which will kill someone with just one, not just simply knowledge to aim for the neck).
Perception - For one thing, this is night time in the situation. And most likely in all situations if you actually do not want to be seen. Especially if you want to make the shot kill in one hit. You're going to need good eye sight. This sort of ties with Dexterity. But isn't quite exactly the same.

Now I've formed this character, that might make little sense of to how this perfect man could commit this crime without being noticed. This is for a regular human player.

Agility - 18
Constitution - 6
Dexterity - 18
Essence - 5
Intelligence - 9
Perception - 13
Strength - 10
Willpower - 7

That took me about 30 seconds to whip up. Some may not make sense. But I think it's a fine character for pulling that situation with few errors.
But my real point is, that you're going to have to RP flaws, such as being noticed. You cannot be a perfect character. That's just complete nonsense. And it really just lessen's the game's fun to have perfect characters such as those.

Karmane, I find that you are being completely hypocritical about this. For starters, you say that your character is unintelligent and will never be able to read books. I find this just a bit tiring, because NO ONE likes to read books in this game. No one in this game has a character that constantly reads books and is intrigued by them. So honestly, big whoop.
Your character seems intelligent enough to lie to men's faces with quick thinking and is able to use the weapons with much knowledge. Which I find, ridiculous. Especially when you're sitting there getting technicalities about stats and skills.

I personally do not get technical with skills and stats. Mostly because the game limits boundries of my character if I followed each and every rule of the technicalities. Yet Kasume is no where near perfect.

Do not sit there and speak of a perfect man like it's OK. I believe I've made my point. If any clearifications, PM me.
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Post by Lauranthalas »

The stats of my character dont reach to the stats of a fighter mage or druid, yet he can still be played..

I am a scholar, i read books for fun and a living, please dont destroy our dedication so lightly Kasume :)
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Hey, when you're packing an army of rotworms you can whip out at any time, an artifact to make sand expand, an ability to teleport people to jail, or an uber-weapon, any of those things - it is way easier to be a good RP-er, coz you don't have to worry about being massacred. You dont even have to PK anyone. You can just act, but you carve out your RP-story in solid stone. People HAVE to play along with you.

You say "build me a castle", and they start building you a castle.
Not just rushing at you with axes, cutting you to pieces, and having a party on your corpse.
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Konstantin K wrote:Hey, when you're packing an army of rotworms you can whip out at any time, an artifact to make sand expand, an ability to teleport people to jail, or an uber-weapon, any of those things - it is way easier to be a good RP-er, coz you don't have to worry about being massacred. You dont even have to PK anyone. You can just act, but you carve out your RP-story in solid stone. People HAVE to play along with you.

You say "build me a castle", and they start building you a castle.
Not just rushing at you with axes, cutting you to pieces, and having a party on your corpse.
However, we must remember that this is quite unfair towards one's fellow players, unless it is necessary for a particular quest or other similiar 'element' of the game.

I believe that this is not the first time I say this: But those who acknowledge their "muahaha-evilness" deserve anything that is coming at them. A professional bad guy would probably be smart enough to lay low and pretend, the rest are just riff-raff and cannonfodder.

;)
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Post by Bloodhearte »

Cannonfodder, is what my character was back in the days where I knew little about roleplaying properly and was experimenting. :wink: The more covert action is the way to go, although you can't expect to get many followers.
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Post by Hermie »

Going back to the 'Evil' roleplay again. Darlok wasn't the only good example, but it seems there are people who try to aspire, and replicate his power or his path, as if in order to gain power. Being evil/bad (the difference between the two is not the point I am after) is not all about gaining power.

People seem to think that they need to come out, and play their tough-guy image straight from day one, but this is not the truth. It is those who declare themselves and fight when they are weak who are usually destroyed first (reference to the Blackstone Cult, who seemed to get killed many times everyday.)

Someone clever enough to become powerful will hide their true motive until they are powerful enough to take power. Even organisations can be secret too, but again, there are those who would try to recruit anyone they can. More subtle approaches would be wiser, keep an eye open for someone who might join you, study them, try to find out more about them, even introduce them to what you are doing on a small basis, never show your true motive until you can trust this person.

Anyway, that's mainly my view, or rather my tips.

Again, Darlok isn't the only good 'bad-guy' - 10 brownie points for whoever gets this first ... who wrote :
Where trouble is, I shant be far from it.
Where my friends are in need, I shant be far from them.
Where revenge is to be brought to my foe, I shant let them wait.
Where death promises to come swiftly, I shant disappoint it.
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Post by Arkadia Misella »

Captain Kirk giving a speech after his son is killed and he begins his awful hatred of the Klingons?
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Post by Moirear Sian »

So it's Gene Roddenberry who wrote it? *big fat grin*
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Post by Hermie »

No, it's a quote of someone from the Illarion boards, one of the players (or rather, characters.)

And did either of you even read the rest of my post? :? :wink:
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Post by Arkadia Misella »

Well, I know sure as hell it was not me

Lets see....Why do I have this naggy feeling it is before my time.

I would vote Zerbus or Konstatine.....they are (were) both pretty creepy like that

and yes I read your post..im sick and not on the ball...as a matter of fact a seal stole my ball and Im stuck sitting on a cube....hmmpfff
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Post by Zare »

I would vote Zerbus or Konstatine.....they are (were) both pretty creepy like that

Neither, I would guess. this "Captain Kirk" fellow had an actual board account


http://illarion.org/community/forums/pr ... ile&u=1231
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Post by Hermie »

Sorry to hear about the cube, I was only curious :wink:

Anyway, not sure if it was before your time or not, I think Ark may have been new at the time, but yes, it was Zerbus!

http://illarion.org/community/forums/vi ... 73&start=0

So ... there you go, I can't remember what I was trying to achieve anyway. 3.45 am and I can't sleep so I'm probably nearly as off-the-ball as you, except I don't think I'm quite up to the cube yet.

Captain Kirk was a GM, Zare :) Or something like that.
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Post by Moirear Sian »

Hermie: Yes I read all of it, but I felt like bumping up the thread again with a little spam, as that might motivate people to get back on-topic. Have you read all the other posts? This thread went insanely off-topic shortly off the bat.

To re-write the thread's title: "Roleplay or Persona Play?"

I said my parts on it and it is way lost somewhere in this soup. As I'm not as tedious as the amazing Zare, I will not go fish it out. My fishing skills irl are jet-black.

Top of the mornin' to ya. :D
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Post by Arkadia Misella »

So I now have ten brwnie points...how many more before I can trade them in for a real brownie?
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Post by Moirear Sian »

75.

Do I get some freebie points, Hermie?
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Post by Konstantin K »

Nice post, Hermie, and I completely, hundred percent agree.

Instead of having a power hungry evil char who kills everything - be a tricky underdog with a large party underneath. And of course - have a distraction, a scapegoat everything gets blamed on. Oh, and make sure, that person is ready to get PKed numerous times.

Oh my, I got called creepy!! By ARK!!! No, no. By ARK herself!!!
Yay!! 8)

btw, for a 1000th time, there's no -e- in the end of my name. Learn it already!!! With an -e- it would be feminine in my culture!
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