Fighting System - Kampf System

nmaguire · Post by **nmaguire** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:24 pm

Erm, just wondering... my char was fighting skeletons way down south in the woods there.. The first one he killed did no damage to him, and then second one took off a tiny bit, and then about half my health... Is this meant to happen?

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:20 pm

I haven't had the opportunity to test the system yet, but I've written down some requirements I'd like to see met by any upcoming fighting system. Feel free to a) disagree b) write down your own requirements c) write down in how far the current system fit these requirements.

Requirements for a good fighting system

Every char should be able to hit / parry / dodge at a minimum percentage, regardless of the opponent (no two-shield-I-block-everything-halfling)
Every hit should deliver a minimum damage
Hits must not deliver huge amounts of damage, regardless of skills, armor, weapons,…(no one-hit-kills)
All calculated, cross-compared values (e.g. attack vs. parry) should be in the same order of magnitude (not 310-320 vs 10-20 but 10-20 vs 12-22)
The influence of random on calculated values should exceed to influence of stats (e.g. 1D20+5 instead of 1D4+13)
The influence of items must not be too high compared to other influences (no care beared uber n00bs who kill everyone on their first day because of their good items)
Skills and attributes should have an influence on every check alike. The influence of the skills should exceed the influence of the attributes, but not by an order of magnitude

Requirements for weapons

There has to be a clear staging of weapons within the same type of weapons (rapier better than dagger better than needle)
Depending on the stats, different weapons have different pros and cons, resulting in the same order of magnitude in terms of damage per time (not: only two handed weapons deliver damage, the rest is crap but: daggers are faster than swords but do less damage)
The quality of the items should have a noticeable influence on the result of a fight
The influence of quality must not exceed the influence of the type of weapon (a crappy broad sword should always be “better” than an excellent club)

Requirements for monsters

There must not be invincible monsters
Every monster should be no match for a reasonable count of outmaxed PCs
There should be a clear staging of monsters (demons stronger skeletons stronger mummies stronger flies)
There should be monsters for total n00bs, defeatable by unskilled, unarmored, unarmed PCs

Post by **Nitram** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:30 pm

This are the targets, the way is the problem

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:47 pm

estralis,

why do you wait for comments?

i see only one possible comment: Amen!

Nitram,

froehliches schaffen!
(benutzt ihr auch javascript? - wenn ja, dann koennte ich bei einfacheren sachen helfen)

korm

Post by **Nitram** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:55 pm

Wtf?!

Javascript O.o

Das ist für die Homepage.
Mal abgesehen davon das es langsam ist, wird der Server da nicht viel damit anfangen können

Nitram

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:25 pm

dann mach deinen kram alleene....

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:23 pm

"Each person should have a special fighting "style" which would allow him to use special moves at times, depending on the state of each trained skill and attributes"

^ My suggestion

Errian Abêth · Post by **Errian Abêth** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:59 pm

Don't know whether there were changes aain, but the report so far:

There seems to be an overspawning of npc's. Like six or more mummies waiting on the first level of the crypts north.
They are stronger than before, but killable, at least for a good foghter with good equipment. Dunno how a new one would do .. probably stand one, but not much more.

The skeletons also seem to overspawn. There were three on the lower level, near the stairs. One got a hit on me and half-killed my char. (For equipment and skills see last report).
last creature who could do this was a demon some people encountered ..

Theon · Post by **Theon** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:15 pm

I've experienced a lot more of 'kill one and every creature within a huge radius dies at the same time' recently, it used to happen before the changes, but only very rarely; now it seems to happen a lot. I was walking to Briar and near the Farmer's Union I noticed lots of entrails with rabbit meat beneath them, from there to Greenbriar all the animals seem to have died, in the woods and everything, entrails everywhere and I don't think it was a player who killed them. And just today all the rabbits in Greenbriar died at once with no reason. Has this come along with the changes or not? I don't think it's supposed to happen, if it is then I'm sorry to have been mistaken.

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:57 pm

I think that was a gm, killing all monsters ingame. this way they clean up the map of monsters who are too much or somewhere where they shouldnt be

Theon · Post by **Theon** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:04 pm

Oh I see. Thanks for the information, I suppose the rabbits can get very annoying, they seem to wait until you try to pass, then hop in front of you.

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:21 pm

they seem to wait until you try to pass, then hop in front of you.

yes.
but try to hunt them. you cant even get near the target, so quick they hobble away...

Alytys Lamar · Post by **Alytys Lamar** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:45 pm

Errian Abêth wrote:Don't know whether there were changes aain, but the report so far:

There seems to be an overspawning of npc's. Like six or more mummies waiting on the first level of the crypts north.
They are stronger than before, but killable, at least for a good foghter with good equipment. Dunno how a new one would do .. probably stand one, but not much more.

The skeletons also seem to overspawn. There were three on the lower level, near the stairs. One got a hit on me and half-killed my char. (For equipment and skills see last report).
last creature who could do this was a demon some people encountered ..

same to me -- no chance ... i must go out of the crypt ..

Skaalib Drurr · Post by **Skaalib Drurr** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:53 pm

it also seems to me that there were 9 plus mummies on the first level, which also caused lag, so i was clouded.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:43 pm

Skaalib Drurr wrote:it also seems to me that there were 9 plus mummies on the first level, which also caused lag, so i was clouded.

Very coincidental.. not the only one

Too much mummys around...

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:57 am

We seem to not deal any damage at all when we are nearly equal levels to the person (player) we are fighting. Gort and Phillippe were just fighting.. he was using a mace, i was using a double axe and we fought one on one for about .. 3 minutes straight, and i didn't lose a bit of health at all and I suspect he lost about the same.

Hu'greu · Post by **Hu'greu** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:01 pm

did they just change it back or something beacuse now I kill pig in one hit

edit--

Dang it I should have said anything now its a back to 10

jk makes the price of leather go up and that fine with me

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:29 pm

currently tests are going on so do not say anything for the next while

Post by **Nitram** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:38 pm

At the time you killed the pig with one hit. Even a new character could kill a gm character in one hit

D.C. · Post by **D.C.** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:07 pm

Is it just me or are undead a bit too strong? It seems even when my character parries the blows I still am getting damage for it.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:18 pm

D.C. wrote:Is it just me or are undead a bit too strong? It seems even when my character parries the blows I still am getting damage for it.

Are they attacking with hands or double weapons?

D.C. · Post by **D.C.** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:46 pm

hands, daggers and swords

Post by **Nitram** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:19 pm

It appears that the fighting system itself works quite well now. But i fear nearly all monsters need a rework <.<

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:32 pm

in the last minutes, after the general kill, the deer do block about every second hit by a longaxe
(hiebwaffen between blue and tuerkise)

korm

Post by **Nitram** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:59 pm

Nitram wrote:But i fear nearly all monsters need a rework

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:46 pm

Korm Kormsen wrote:estralis,

why do you wait for comments?

i see only one possible comment: Amen!

None of the previous fighting systems met the majority of requirements I wrote down. In fact, the last one met barely any of them.

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:05 am

pigs parry? OMG 0.o

Post by **Nitram** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:47 am

Parry pigs are solved

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:49 am

can you also do something about the great spawn rate of the mummies?

Post by **Nitram** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:58 am

Dunno why this happens. i Just nuked them...lets see if they come back. If they do, i need to restart the server.

Nitram