Tavern catastrophe

[Samantha Meryadeles]

The dev could have also waited until the happeningswere over. an ingame event is more important than a npc who buys plates or not

[Sess'sth]

Maybe he only had a certain amount of time to be on the computer that day, and decided he felt like using that little time to get some work done. They might as well just kick us all off during such work if topics like this get started each time.

[Retlak]

I felt really bad earlier, the same involved chars (i think) were sitting on the tree logs outside of the shop, and i went to up the npc in the middle of a conversation.. and i have to sell 5 different things..

[Fooser]

The dev could have also waited until the happeningswere over. an ingame event is more important than a npc who buys plates or not

Maybe they should delay starting up the server too. Or doing anything IG, because God forbid, it isn't their game, and they have no need to fix and improve it as much as they can. Without them you wouldn't even be in game, that is poor reasoning.

[Nalzaxx]

So wait a minute, wait wait wait.

You moan at the Dev's for leaving numerous bugs in the game.

And then moan at them for fixing them?

I mean? WTF?

I think you need to realise Patric this is NOT your game. We are NOT customers. We are infact only here because of the kindness and generosity of the Dev's themselves. If they want to debug there and then I'll let them, if they want to flood the chat with a million broadcasts I'll let them.

If they want to turn the whole of Gobiath into a 4 x 4 island with a tree I'll let them. Its their game, its their choice, is their perogative. Not ours.

Now hush up and try for once to be a little more appreciative of their efforts.

[Shandariel el Lysanthrai]

it was not that they did it. but when. that they did it right than when a dozen players tried to have roleplay in the tavern. when the def ignored the wish from the players to stop that since it disturbs the roleplay with npc messages flooding everything. that the def didnt care a second that a group of players tried to have roleplay fun but got disturbed by his work at the npc which wasnt that important and could have been done any other time...


does noone ever reads before he answers?

[Nalzaxx]

The point remains. Its THEIR game, NOT ours, they can do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want.

[Kevin Lightdot]

Yup.

[Fooser]

LoL, those are your only responses, "You dont understand" "You dont read". No, we read and understand, it's just that your complaint is crap. You can throw nonsense like "RP comes first", but that isn't true, RP is #2, devs/game function/testing comes first. Secondly, it isn't their job to keep track of every in game event and get together. Something wasn't working right, and they fixed it. They shouldn't have to work around every players schedule. They have things to do, and probably can't always sit around and wait for you to finish. There are 10000 places to go on the island, if you were really that disturbed you could have went somewhere else for a few minutes.

[Samantha Meryadeles]

It was not me alone...damn..please read...we were a dozen players sitting in the tavern and celebrating the reopening of the tavern. a dozen chars...we were singing, dancing and tried to have that roleplay...and you say we all, the dozen players who played an event that got announced days before it happened, to go away because a developer didnt care a bit for our roleplay and the player event and for whom repairing a bug about buying plates was much more important than a long planned and announced palyer event involving a dozen characters?

[Nalzaxx]

Put shortly.

Yes.

THEIR game.

NOT ours.

[Sess'sth]

Hence, alpha. Hence, testers. We are testers, we shouldn't even consider ourselves players. But we do.

Like many, including myself, have said before, maybe the dev didn't have enough time to wait for the event to be over. What you are basically saying is that you can't wait for the construction crew to finish screwing in a pipe while you hang from the monkeybars. Do you have any idea how lucky you are that the dev didn't shut down the server and screw your event over completely? At least you could play, even if a NPC was talking. Anyway, who cares if he was talking? That's like when someone says "Do you need help?" right by a NPC when they are talking to someone else, and the NPC gives them the whole list of commands. Most players just say "I wasn't talking to you, [NPC_Name]," when a NPC says something scripted. You know how annoying it is when I can't understand german but tons of german-speakers are talking to one another while I am trying to chat it up with a friend? I'm not going to go OOC and say "((SPEAK ENGLISH, YOU NINNIES,))" just because it isn't going my way. Come on. We can read. We can understand. But that doesn't mean we have to agree with you. We don't.

[Shandariel el Lysanthrai]

So a dozen characters celebrating the reopening ovthe tavern should have left the tavern, stopped the dance and the song we just had, and went away from the tavern which opening we celebrated because a single def didnt care a bit for us and for whom our roleplay is less important than an npc who doesnt buy wooden plates?


*sighs* its hopeless with you

And the def work does count because it were again and again the npc sentences and the def sentences flooding the area. not just 1,2 or 3 sentences

[Sess'sth]

Like I said...

Anyway, who cares if he was talking?

Don't leave. Ignore. Using OOC will only make it worse. Do you have any idea how much OOC you brought into this?

NPC's flood the chat all the time, and that is what we get for making them speech activated, that is what we get for making the game more "realistic". You got your realism and now you are complaining about it. Don't agree? Read this, my point of view on what happened:

A man is upstairs, talking to himself nonstop about plates while you twelve or so people are partying it up below. Would you care if a man was talking to himself upstairs? No. You would not. You would continue to celebrate, regardless of a rambling man.

You talk about everyone and everything ruining your roleplay when YOU ruined it! YOU had the choice to work around it! YOU had the choice to ignore the NPC! YOU could have left it alone and roleplayed regardless! Or, if it annoyed you SO much, YOU had the choice to leave, no matter how foolish and bad roleplay that would be. But you didn't. And then YOU make it OOC.

Shandariel el Lysanthrai: ((can you stop up there? please!))

Then YOU brought it here to complain. Look what YOU have done. Look at these piles of 'rants' that YOU aren't listening to, but everyone else agrees upon.

So, how about this. YOU learn to read. YOU learn to listen. Call this a flame if you want, but I'm just showing you what I see. And I see that everything turned out bad for you because YOU made it happen.

*sighs*, I'm afraid that it's hopeless with YOU.
G'day.

[Retlak]

The 'You' word count for this topic is currently 439, thank you for contributing.

[Sess'sth]

YOU are welcome. 440 (unless you didn't count yours)

[Mah'dee Daye]

I vote for the 4x4 island with the tree. I kind of like trees.

[Shandariel el Lysanthrai]

Maybe i said it ooc because i saw how the char was flying through the walls before it went upstairs and i knew it is a gm char? because what the char did there was no roleplay or ingame activity but some ooc actions? technical actions?

[Cassandra Fjurin]

why, why the heck do some of you really act so demotivating, so ... dunno know how i should say that.

You shout so loud that it seems such things happens 3 times a week the last 4 months. It has happend one time.... nothing more, nothing less, you complaint about a GM doing their job.

sometime i think some of you cant be happy if they have nothing to complaint, or is it some sort of a hobby to demotivate the devs?

Some of the things happened wasn't good. But is that a reason to shout out like we had made a charwipe? And why are this the "I am a good RPer" who shout so loudly?

A good rper can walk, wet, through the largest thunderstorm and sings a song about the current sunshine.

[Sess'sth]

@Shandariel:

Taken from Martin's post in the Off Topic forum's Who Are You sticky:

Char(s): No real one.
Exchars / ehemalige Chars: No real one.

Martin has logged into Illarion, has he not? But he does not consider his characters as real characters. Would you not agree that the other devs do the same with their own dev-only characters? (Maybe it was martin, even. Who knows? Who cares? It doesn't matter.)

Therefore,

Ignore.

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EDIT:

It has happend one time.... nothing more, nothing less, you complaint about a GM doing their job.

Exactly.

[Kevin Lightdot]

I stopped listening to him a while ago... He's just going to bring up more reasons why we suck and he is the uber pwning roleplayer that should always pwn... I used to like him... But lately he's just been such an ass.
Can't you see that your attitude isn't liked? Your roleplaying isn't perfect, and I think everyone can think of some times were you messed up. I dont blame you for that but you shouldn't crack off everyone when they make a little mistake. You were a noob to once. So your getting annoyed by the noobs... We all do, but you don't see us complaining as much as you do.

If a GM char is around and has to test some stuff, ignore him.

We need quality, indeed. And any noob can develop quality, anyone can learn if you encourage them. And if we treat noobs right we'll get both quality and quantity.
Now, insult me because I'm dumb. Call me stupid. Tell the GM's I'm insulting you. If people like you ruin the game, then sorry but your not being a proper human nor a fair roleplayer.

And if you want to get mad at me, please go listen to "Hate Me!" by "Children of Bodom."

Now, go crack off my comments again as you always do without wanting to hear my explanation on why I think that.... Fine, go ahead. Your only proving my point.

[martin]

it was not that they did it. but when.

Pay us for having time anytime you want us to have time.

Martin

[Shandariel el Lysanthrai]

@kevin

That had nothing to do with the topic and was just a random attack on my person . also what you accuse me is not true. maybe you see it like that, but that is not really why i write here or what i think.

[Kevin Lightdot]

Why would the devs or GM's even have to care about you anyways?


Edit: Yeah I went a bit off topic, but I think it had to be stated.

And if you want me to explain why I said anything about you, fine. You have me on msn and I'll take the time to explain if you take the time to listen.

[Shandariel el Lysanthrai]

maybe you realize that it is not about me but the whole event and secnario with the dozen players involved? i never wrote that it is about me

[Cassandra Fjurin]

We need quality, indeed. And any noob can develop quality, anyone can learn if you encourage them. And if we treat noobs right we'll get both quality and quantity.

Some really true words. Thank you, where do i have to sign? Sometimes, i think there is really a hope.

[Kevin Lightdot]

Cass, you can always give me an overpowered uber quest char if you like.

@Galim: I edited my previous post, read it and contact me if you want.

[Sess'sth]

In the English language, the word "you" can mean multiple persons. We don't have as many obvious tenses as other languages like Spanish and German (and probably everybody else...). Hence, the English language sucks. (I don't mean to look down upon anyone by explaining a word. I wrote this because I want to clear it up. No insult intended.)

But anyway, I think Kevin is basically talking to everyone from the party, and even everyone who reads his words. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Kevin Lightdot]

I'm waiting Galim...
I'll stay up all night if I have to... Though my parents won't like that >.<


Edit:
Since I'm a bit more awake now I'll give you some clearer answers and sum them up again just in case, tell me if I missed any.

Well, after talking to him he made his point clear.
Ok, some noobs just never learn and eventualy you get enough of it.
There was a time when it truely sucked with all the noobs running around, but those times have passed. It's alot better now. And just because some of them don't learn doesn't mean you should treat them all like dirt.
If you're nice to someone they will be nice to you and they will learn.

It seems to me that you think that ALL noobs simply suck and can't learn to roleplay. We were all noobs once, and not everyone reads the manuals. Now you can say that you did or that you didn't even though if your lieing or not, I can't judge that. I didn't read the manual either, only about the technical stuff in the new client. And correct me if I'm wrong but I think that I roleplay decent enough.

And those times were noobs just ran around asking "How U attack?" have passed, that was simply cause they were to busy and couldn't check all the accounts. But still you seem to have kept that mentality and just crack off all the new players because of it. It truely isn't that bad anymore, most people who join these days do have a general understanding of roleplay...


And about that comment "We're a roleplaying game, not a roleplaying school." and "My time is precious, I dont want to waste it teaching noobs." Contact a GM... Easy as that and I think Nitram stated that before didn't he?
Also you say that noobs don't want to learn, if they didn't want to learn then why would they ask you?
If you expect them all to know how to roleplay and simply say "Do not use 'words' like U and K." They still might not understand, tell them why. Be nice to them( In ooc smileys realy help them understand that you mean good.) And after helping them with their current problem, then tell them that if they want to know any more they might find use in the manual. Don't simply say "Go read the manual." If you told me that I wouldn't listen either.


And about my comment about you simply going to insult us cause we all suck and you should always pwn. It may be true at times, but I shouldn't have brought it up like that. So, sorry.

I don't mean any personal insult and am only trying to help here, maybe it seems otherwise but that may be cause I was simply in a bad mood.


You are a good roleplayer, but does that allow you to simply ignore those in need of helping? A good human needs to help those in need, even if they seem so utterly stupid to your standards.


And if according to your words yesterday "I don't want to listen and I simply ignore your comments." Why would I take my own free time to try and help?

[Samantha Meryadeles]

It seems to me that you think that ALL noobs simply suck and can't learn to roleplay. We were all noobs once, and not everyone reads the manuals. Now you can say that you did or that you didn't even though if your lieing or not, I can't judge that. I didn't read the manual either, only about the technical stuff in the new client. And correct me if I'm wrong but I think that I roleplay decent enough.

I am sorry that you haven't understood what we talked about yesterday. Let me clarify it.

I don't say all noobs suck, but there are new players who just are at the wrong place here. players who don't understand the roleplay concept, and also are not able to show roleplay. And with roleplay i mean the simplest behaviour.

See, i belief noone who started illarion with saying nothing other than "How do i fight/ how do i smith" and so on, and that means not saying "hello, goodbye, i am ..." and other sentences which make a role more realistic, really continues to play illarion. Why not? Because for such peoples illarion is not the right.

We have an account system. The account system shall keep those out of the game who don't understand roleplay, and who are not able to do roleplay. To keep those out who don't understand the concept of playing a role. I just don't see why i should use my rare time to teach those who slipped through the account system. Those who somehow made it through the approval, but aren't even able to play a role when they meet others. From whom you see no "Greetings, hellos, i am ..., who are you, and so on"

When I tell a newbie to read the manual and the gamerule and come back after he did it, than it is a newbie who can't even show enough roleplay to greet with his char. to write anything other than just that plain question without any rp content. If that newbie ignores that, and can't even do that, than he is here wrong...than he slipped through the account systhem. because he is not able to do the slightest roleplay. and i won't spend my rare ingame time than with trying to teach someone who doesn't even understand that the basic concepts of roleplay.

Illarion is not meant to teach others the simpliest roleplay concepts. or we won't have an account system. You know why we have that roleplay stories in it? Because we want just those who have already the rp basics and understand what it means to play a role, and to interact with other chars.
Without throwing just plain questions at them, with 0 % rp behind it,