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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:19 am
by Keikan Hiru
The funny thing is, we shouldn't even stop with the avatars.
The "[img]"-Tag is also a possible threat and makes us open to be sued in the instant the poster is displaying a copyrighted picture.
Are we going to have a pure text forum in the end?
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:24 am
by Taylor
*claps* My my..
Oh, and Don't forget! I've seen these color smilies on the Hamster dance website! What's up with that?! I so see a lawsuit over this.
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:33 am
by Galdriel
Keikan Hiru wrote:The funny thing is, we shouldn't even stop with the avatars.
The "[img]"-Tag is also a possible threat and makes us open to be sued in the instant the poster is displaying a copyrighted picture.
Are we going to have a pure text forum in the end?
Not necessarily, since in this case we do not host the picture, and
in this case propably applies the same rule, as heise "
www.heise.de"
was put to law for.
in that case we are responsible from the moment we were informed
of the case (same as criminal and offensive content in postings).
not sure of this though.
also such images will be much harder to spot than avatars, since they occur only once, while avatars appear with every posting.
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:57 am
by martin
Samantha Meryadeles wrote:I hate that all. Now we have to show pics of our chars in secret, as if we would trade drugs
Whatever, I explain it one last time:
It's not YOU being sued (as implied by your avatar), it is US!
Martin
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:11 am
by martin
Aegohl wrote:And it's illegal to be a Nazi in Germany? That sounds like thoughtcrime, to me. Welcome to Engsoc.
Law is rather restrictive concerning that in Austria and Germany (for, I believe, understandable reasons).
You can think whatever you want, noone can sue you.
However, there is the "Verbotsgesetz" (meaning something like "prohibition law", just that it's not about alcohol
) which basically says:
1) The NSDAP (Hitler's Nazi-party) and all organizations that were linked with it do not exist any longer; refounding them is forbidden.
2) "Wiederbetaetigungsgesetz": (Something like "do it again law", which is my personal translation
):
* It is forbidden to found or support any Nazi-organization
* It is forbidden to call for doing something forbidden or glamorize the Nazi-regime in public
* It is forbidden to deny the Nazi-crimes in public
We can discuss advantages and disadvantages on the OT-forum or in ICQ if you want to.
Martin
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:13 am
by Misjbar
We have something likewise with the NSB.
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:02 pm
by Estralis Seborian
Stupid questions:
The server is located in austria, thus, does austrian law hold? Or does german law hold due to the fact that Illarion e.V. is a german society? (I doubt there are any differences, though)
What about "linked" avatars, pictures that are not stored on the Illarion server but just displayed on the Illarion pages?
smile all abmahnwütige Dreckswinkeladvokaten!
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:05 pm
by Meriel Pelith
Another suggestion I would make:
If you find any picture on any site (like Deviantart for example) Then write the artist a message/e-mail and ask if you are allowed to use that avatar on the forum or for the game.
I'm sure some of them will give you the permission
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:15 pm
by martin
Estralis Seborian wrote:The server is located in austria, thus, does austrian law hold?
I would think so, however, it does not make any difference.
What about "linked" avatars, pictures that are not stored on the Illarion server but just displayed on the Illarion pages?
Personally I don't think that it makes any difference at all. Linking an image means displaying it on your website.
Martin
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:06 pm
by Irania
Meriel Pelith wrote:Another suggestion I would make:
If you find any picture on any site (like Deviantart for example) Then write the artist a message/e-mail and ask if you are allowed to use that avatar on the forum or for the game.
I'm sure some of them will give you the permission
Actually most would most likely say yes as long as there is a link to whomever is the actual artist on the avatar. However the avatars here are rather small and can't really contain anything like that.
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:31 pm
by Falk vom Wald
Another simple solution: Take an avatar out of a painting whose artist died more than 70 years ago. In that case the german copyright-law does not grip.
Any idea from where I took mine?
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:46 pm
by Aurora
looks like Van Gogh to me ...
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:51 pm
by martin
Aurora wrote:looks like Van Gogh to me ...
Absolutely not!
Martin
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:55 pm
by Meriel Pelith
Irania wrote:
Actually most would most likely say yes as long as there is a link to whomever is the actual artist on the avatar. However the avatars here are rather small and can't really contain anything like that.
In the char description on the onlinelist you can do that.
^^
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:24 pm
by Falk vom Wald
Aurora wrote:looks like Van Gogh to me ...
not really
wrong century!
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:34 pm
by martin
I want to know it now, before I waste another hour searching it.
Martin
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:39 pm
by Korm Kormsen
Breugel?
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:31 pm
by Falk vom Wald
Korm Kormsen wrote:Breugel?
Good idea, not very far away...
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:47 pm
by Alatar
Falk vom Wald wrote:Another simple solution: Take an avatar out of a painting whose artist died more than 70 years ago. In that case the german copyright-law does not grip.
Any idea from where I took mine?
Great idea
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:28 am
by Devrah Liioness
Cain Freemont wrote:Copyrights must be visible on whatever the product/piece/work is, otherwise there is no way to trace a copyright infringement. Therefore, don't steal someone's work if it has "XXX (c) year XXXX."
Just for the record, are avatars with no visible copyright okay?
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:34 am
by Cliu Beothach
Cain Freemont wrote:Copyrights must be visible on whatever the product/piece/work is, otherwise there is no way to trace a copyright infringement. Therefore, don't steal someone's work if it has "XXX (c) year XXXX."
http://www.copyright.gov/ wrote:When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:35 am
by Devrah Liioness
*nods* Thanks, Cliu.
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:28 am
by Estralis Seborian
Cliu Beothach wrote:Cain Freemont wrote:Copyrights must be visible on whatever the product/piece/work is, otherwise there is no way to trace a copyright infringement. Therefore, don't steal someone's work if it has "XXX (c) year XXXX."
http://www.copyright.gov/ wrote:When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.
Pointless. US-laws do not hold here.
Check out:
http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/index.html
or
Verdammt langer Link
Edit: Aye aye
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:59 am
by martin
http://kurl.de/
Bitte!!!
Martin
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:12 pm
by Aegohl
That doesn't help the yanks among us. I'm sure, however, that the laws are similar enough between the two nations that the quote was helpful enough.
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:47 pm
by Liles
Done. No copyright troubles for me.
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:53 pm
by Kevin Lightdot
Woah, that's art Liles!
Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:31 pm
by Duke
I've forgotten which avatar I have...Ahh that one.
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:28 pm
by Estralis Seborian
Juhu, I finally found out that my avatar is the front cover of the novel "Stone of Farewell" by Tad Williams. Can't name the artist, though.
*Removed due to risk of suezorzing*