Char Wipe Questions

Turonga Mudwater · Post by **Turonga Mudwater** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:40 pm

Well I know that Turonga Is not going to care weather she remembers anyone or not, People will know who she is soon enough anyway.

But as for Jeremys story, I like it except for one small detail. Inns, buildings and citys are all still there. How do we move to a bigger island that already has Vashikar and Greenbriar and Trollsbane? That would require tons of IC and OOC nonsense, the reconstruction of all the towns, fights over territorys, payment methods, people complaining about how they worked so hard for there land just to have it stolen away. That would also cause too much hastle.

Wiergraf · Post by **Wiergraf** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 6:26 pm

We could have a simple camp when we first arrive? Just a merchant and depot and a few other things, then we have to gather resources to build a town? Just a suggestion for the Buildings already being there problem.

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:48 pm

I have a similar idea, basically combinging a lot of things people said.

Basically, an apocalypse sent by moshran and his servants. Disease (loss of skills), horrid weather (whicvh would destroy all of the items), and vast plate shifts (island getting bigger). Anyone who survived would be left weakened, with most memories intact but all of their abilities drained (did i miss anything else that need sexplaining)

Anyway, that's just a rough concept idea, but I think that worls best. A disease cant cope for item loss very well, and neither can any other single thing, so an apocalypse works best

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Byron · Post by **Byron** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:10 pm

As the war between the Servents of Morshan and the rest of Illar sparks, many lose their lives. The battle rages for many days, still no sign of a stop.

Both of the sides seem outpowered, the god Morshan fighting the small isle, the isle outnumber the Servents. Hopelessness is filled in all eyes.

The battle brings storms of great eletrical power, fires apear from no were, and the trees start to slowly die. The isle is dieing. Diseases, floods, and more slowly make the isle unlivable.

Finaly the Isle surrenders, they make a hand-me-down raft and flee, far far away. However, the Servents still are on the Isle. As Morshan rest the Isle still recieves dammages. As some of the servents run for their lives and get off the isle into choppy waters, the rest sink.

Days later land is afoot, a much larger isle is infront of the old Illar. The tailors make cloth and the Carpenters make poles and the dwarfs put together the tent. Finaly the entire isle is working together for a greater good.

But...
Good is short lived.

As the surviving Servants arrive, they smirk as they start to claim land on another location of the New Illar....

Wiergraf · Post by **Wiergraf** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:23 pm

I actually thought that was pretty good. I like the idea

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:57 pm

That would stand in contradiction with my map.
There are no ruins of a great epic battle beetween "Good and Bad", no apocalyptic aftermath, no meteriod craters, no vulcans, no no no ...

So dont use Moshran as your prime excuse always.

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook · Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:49 am

Turonga Mudwater wrote: But as for Jeremys story, I like it except for one small detail. Inns, buildings and citys are all still there. How do we move to a bigger island that already has Vashikar and Greenbriar and Trollsbane? That would require tons of IC and OOC nonsense, the reconstruction of all the towns, fights over territorys, payment methods, people complaining about how they worked so hard for there land just to have it stolen away. That would also cause too much hastle.

The Island is already inhabited. It has 3 towns on it already. (Assuming they are on the new map? Or is it a blank canvas for us to create on?) Who says they have to be called Trollsbane, Varshikar and Greenbriar? We are starting afresh. They can be called anything people want.
People are supposed to have lost memories....so it should not be too hard to get over the fact that parts of the map are similar or the same. Roleplay it. We are on a new Island. Act as if it is new and unfamiliar.
As to the Government structure....well that is all to be decided when it all happens. The "current leaders" can lay claim to the lands. (If they are still playing their old characters.) This will be no different to what would happen anyway. There would be power struggles and such like happening whatever happens.

Japheth · Post by **Japheth** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:55 am

I've heard some other players calling for a long gap in time, perhaps ten years or so. This would facilitate those who wish to continue with their old characters (as long as they are not dead

) as well as those who wish to create new characters. The discrepancies on the island could be put down to the island changing over the years and so forth.

Japheth

Grunith Shuth · Post by **Grunith Shuth** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:59 am

To perhaps take a similar, yet a little bit different path from Jeremy's proposition. I suggest that, as Sian spoke of, we simply have a time lapse of about 10-20 years. We, the players can decide what events happened in that time, or perhaps nothing happened. I suggest this simply so we can start a new generation of characters with our memories, but our skills perhaps are still the same. In this way, with a new generation of characters, we can have perhaps sons of older ones be prominant figures and even daughters around.

Troll's Bane will still exist as weill Varshikar and even Greenbriar with Silverbrand, but everything will only be a little older. The people of the isle who were there before will be older just a bit and perhaps entering middle age or old age. But at the same time, their sons and daughters will be older at a ripe young age of naivity and can come to pick up in the footsteps of their predecessors in politics or wars or the such.

Well tell me what you all think. We do not need any fancy storyline to say why we lost skills, but simply you can rp it out with a new and fresh beginning over a time lapse. I think this would be the most interesting way to take in the meantime. Feedback for the idea would be welcome and perhaps anyone else can build upon it.

Thanks for reading this confusing post.

Grunith.

Edit: Sorry, Japheth beat me to the post with his short one. But it is still the same idea!

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:01 am

I thought the memory loss idea was shot down.

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:22 am

I don't like the memory loss or time lapse idea, personally.

Kincent Nolatri · Post by **Kincent Nolatri** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:30 am

A Clean slate just seems like it needs to go with this, or people wouldn’t be make such a big deal out of. I'm all for using are old Characters and such but maybe the easiest way to do this would to just be to start over anew... however I know how people love their rp! So as long as we can find a decent way that most people agree on.. There shouldn’t be much of a problem.

However I'm more interested in how we will get our old names, or even our accounts and such back once the wipe happens....
( Though it was probably stated already many times.. but I just got back and im clueless so please don’t kill me guys )

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:33 am

I like starting over with a new slate. If you like you character know, just give him a different name, but if you are so attached to that, I don't see the problem with keeping it. Starting over doesn't mean you can't roleplay the same style of character, it just gives a new history for everyone.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:41 am

But your character has friends, is married, has a family, your involved in a major roleplay plot. Starting over in roleplay seems to silly. If you want to start over just make a brand new character.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:42 am

Garret is right, way too much hassle. Clearing history accomplishes little.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:45 am

Yes, but when it is wiped, so are his friends and all. It just starts anew and accomplishes a lot. Takes the hassle out of everything.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:47 am

Everything? no

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:47 am

what hassle?

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:48 am

How does it not clear up everything?

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:52 am

because then all the time we've spent roleplaying, all the history we have built over the past four years, was a waste of time.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:54 am

I enjoyed my time ingame, I do not see how it was wasted.

Lord Arcia · Post by **Lord Arcia** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:55 am

I don't know about the rest of you, but i find the idea of Arcia "dying" hard to bear. By dying i mean his memories/actions etc. A person is not a person without their memories and thoughts. If i were to start Arcia out with fresh memories he would no longer be himself, he would be someone TOTALLY different. I don't like this, i've lost sleep about it...

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:55 am

Why can't things just continue? Items and skills gone? Things are supposedly not focused on skills, and drag & drop items are overrated

New map? What our characters percieve is very flexible, I don't think it's an issue. Losing name file? Wow, happened to me three times in four months, happens to many other people, none of us asked for RP to be wiped.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:57 am

Besides like Aegohl said, it is too late to change anything, most of us want to keep our roleplay.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:58 am

It boils down to the Nature vs. Nuture. Does one's personality derive from their innate pysche or their previous actions in their life.

If you made Arcia again, you could give him the same personalities as before.

You can keep your roleplay. I don't see how your character not fending off an orc attack hinders or destorys your roleplay.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:00 am

It depends on both Nature and Nuture.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:03 am

How so? The topic can be debated almost all ways, with valid points.

On Topic: Once more, you do not lose roleplay if you character had not done something in the past.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:08 am

Yes but everything we've roleplayed to make, greenbriar, varshikar, trolls bane, the grey rose, was a waste since it will not be remembered. Skills are not this game. You have not given a reason to forget everything. You have not defined the hassle that will be made by letting your character retain its memory.

And this is all pointless since the GMs wont have us forget everything

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:11 am

Skills are not this game.

Neither are pixels on a screen that make images of ingots and buildings.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:26 am

Garett Gwenour wrote:Yes but everything we've roleplayed to make, greenbriar, varshikar, trolls bane, the grey rose, was a waste since it will not be remembered. Skills are not this game. You have not given a reason to forget everything. You have not defined the hassle that will be made by letting your character retain its memory.

And this is all pointless since the GMs wont have us forget everything

Since you completely ignored everything I wrote previously we will try again..