banned

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:28 pm

This is incredibly outrageous! I am banned because i killed someone 14 times, when i only killed someone twice AFTER I WAS ATTACKED BY THEM TWICE. Where does this come from?!

Cosmaterra · Post by **Cosmaterra** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:39 pm

We got the logs and can proof this attack, and now carry the consequents, everybody of you know the rules... or can find them on board.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:40 pm

I want to see proof that my character killed someone 14 times!!!. You present me with the proof and i shall believe you, but there is no reason to kill someone 14 times and i am positive i have not done it.

Moyáve · Post by **Moyáve** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:45 pm

I have 2 contradictory feelings about this, and be aware: I'm honest about my feelings.

1. He deserves to be banned, actually I was waiting for this moment, since he kept going on my nerves for a long time. And to me his roleplay seemed a bit weird, but that's ok so far.

2.Complete banning? Only for "Pking"? (and I assume there will be a great discussion about how many people and why he really killt)
I must admit that I broke not only this serverrule in the past, and they "only" deleted most of my chars.
I do not know whether this is the only reason for his banning, but it seems a little too hard...

Might not have helped you much, paul....but these are my first thoughts about the matter.
I hope that you will at least understand why you were banned after all. And that you learn for the future.

Cosmaterra · Post by **Cosmaterra** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:46 pm

xxxx: Geh zum gelben Kreuz, um wiederbelebt zu werden!
Someone (32540): whoa
xxxx: Geh zum gelben Kreuz, um wiederbelebt zu werden!
Someone (32540): ?
xxxx: Geh zum gelben Kreuz, um wiederbelebt zu werden!
xxxx: Geh zum gelben Kreuz, um wiederbelebt zu werden!
Bumbol Woodstock: good
Someone (32540): umm
Someone (32538): ?
Bumbol Woodstock: nice Crosis
Bumbol Woodstock: Dude, underhill...
Someone (32538): ?
Someone (32540): ?
Someone (32540): whoa
Crosis: sorry
Someone (32538): ?
Someone (32540) forms silent words with the lips.
Someone (32540): there paul
Someone (32538) forms silent words with the lips.
Crosis: i was trying to move you
Bumbol Woodstock: go to the cross then coem back
Someone (32538) forms silent words with the lips.
Someone (32538) forms silent words with the lips.
Crosis forms silent words with the lips.
Crosis forms silent words with the lips.
Someone (32540): Dont worry paul ill save you
Crosis forms silent words with the lips.
Someone (32538): Ahh!
Someone (32540): whats he doing
Someone (32538): It follows!
Someone (32540) forms silent words with the lips.
Bumbol Woodstock: oooo ahh
Someone (32540) forms silent words with the lips.
Bumbol Woodstock: i got 199 daggers in bank!
Bumbol Woodstock: hi
xxxx: Geh zum gelben Kreuz, um wiederbelebt zu werden!
xxxx: Geh zum gelben Kreuz, um wiederbelebt zu werden!
Someone (32538): Stay away all hobbits!
xxxx: Geh zum gelben Kreuz, um wiederbelebt zu werden!
Someone (32540): dont worry paul ill save you
xxxx: Geh zum gelben Kreuz, um wiederbelebt zu werden!
xxxx: Geh zum gelben Kreuz, um wiederbelebt zu werden!
xxxx: Geh zum gelben Kreuz, um wiederbelebt zu werden!
Someone (27948) (w): to the cross
xxxx: Geh zum gelben Kreuz, um wiederbelebt zu werden!
Bumbol Woodstock: here paul

Geh zum gelben Kreuz, um wiederbelebt zu werden! = Go to the yellow cross...

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:51 pm

But i didn't kill someone 14 times!!!!!!!!! I only killed someone twice after they attacked me! What about when Nilo killed me three times?! He wasn't banned?! What about when someone (i, as well as everyone else, suspect Sillin of it, as when he left, the killing stopped) killed me today at least 5 times?! It isn't fair!

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:56 pm

I see no evidence for me killing anyone. Explain my role and why i am banned.

Shi'voc · Post by **Shi'voc** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:58 pm

life is not fair.
and besides, you just disqualified for getting any further answers to any messages by me for not asking if i would allow you to publish a "private" message...

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:02 pm

Life is not fair, but in a controlled environment, it can be made fair. I see no evidence convicting me of killing anyone. I was actually hiding from being killed. That is why Fooser was saying to stand behind him. I shall continue to argue for my innocence. I had no part in that killing!

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:06 pm

Moyáve wrote:1. He deserves to be banned, actually I was waiting for this moment, since he kept going on my nerves for a long time. And to me his roleplay seemed a bit weird, but that's ok so far.

Or was i banned because Moyave doesn't like me?

Vindigan · Post by **Vindigan** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:09 pm

Too bad you got banned

Deal with it

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:10 pm

I would like to hear you saying that if any of you got banned for no reason. Why don't you ask this person who was killed if i killed him?

Vindigan · Post by **Vindigan** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:12 pm

At the moment, i cant play. But i find it fun to just look at the forums now and then to see how things are going

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:14 pm

Paul, do you really think the GMs have nothing better to do then to read server logs all day? They wouldn't have checked them if there was noone accusing you in the first time.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:15 pm

I want to know who accused me, and why, because i did naught. And did someone accuse me, or did you look at the logs and see my name and ban me?

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:26 pm

anyone who was there can vouch for me. I did not touch a hair on this person.

Vindigan · Post by **Vindigan** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:30 pm

what is this persons name

Crosis · Post by **Crosis** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:35 pm

Cosmaterra wrote: Crosis: sorry
Someone (32538): ?
Someone (32540) forms silent words with the lips.
Someone (32540): there paul
Someone (32538) forms silent words with the lips.
Crosis: i was trying to move you
Bumbol Woodstock: go to the cross then coem back
Someone (32538) forms silent words with the lips.
Someone (32538) forms silent words with the lips.
Crosis forms silent words with the lips.
Crosis forms silent words with the lips.
Someone (32540): Dont worry paul ill save you
Crosis forms silent words with the lips.
Someone (32538): Ahh!
Someone (32540): whats he doing
Someone (32538): It follows!
Someone (32540) forms silent words with the lips.
Bumbol Woodstock: oooo ahh
Someone (32540) forms silent words with the lips.

Fooser for sure didn't attack the ghost, he was away from it. Bumbol was the one who attacked it as it was dead, he told me, but I dont think he knew that he was killing him. And Paul was away from it because I tried pushing him and I accidently attacked him and so he ran away. Then the ghost followed him fo a while.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:35 pm

Why do you need the name of the person who accused you? All you need to know is that someone gave the GMs a hint ant because of that they chacked the logs. And no, they dont just ban everyone whose name they read next to a death message. If you're inncent name your whitnesses and let them speak.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:37 pm

My witness just spoke.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:38 pm

Well......I wasnt there, but, ive known bumbol, fooser, and paul for quite some time. All i know, is what ive heard. But, I do think you should give them a JAIL sentence or something. But, BANNING? I mean, its not like other people havent multi-killed. I think just about everyone has from one time to another..........

I have noticed, that, whenever someone has stolen from me, that, they dont give it back. The theifs tend to keep what they stole now days........We have lots of theifs around illarion now.....and they must be stopped somehow. And, if they do start coming up and attacking someone, usually you have to make them quit, or you will end up dead. Wouldnt that be self-defense? and, self defense isnt wrong. And, What about fooser? I didnt see anywhere in those logs that fooser talked, associatied, or did anything.

Luckily, we have an eye witness, my dear friend, crosis. I am in full support of whatever Crosis says. Crosis, to me, is very wise, and very knowledgeable about the world around him.......I think he could be a key to this.

Vindigan · Post by **Vindigan** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:44 pm

Even if he is wrong?
not saying that he is..

Crosis · Post by **Crosis** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:48 pm

Crosis: ((you attacked him as a ghost?)) Bumbol Woodstock: ((yep)) Someone (5): [NPC] Use me with an item to sell it. Someone (6): [NPC] Use me to buy something. Bumbol Woodstock: ((actually just clicked on him a lot)) Bumbol Woodstock: ((didnt even know i was killing him cause it would go red the ngo away.))

To prove my point even more, thats from my log file.[/quote]

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:51 pm

Paul Laffing: Oh
Bumbol Woodstock: then why do you steal my oreS?
Someone (37185): beer
Bumbol Woodstock: underhillstole
Fooser: whoa
Fooser: ?
Bumbol Woodstock: good
Fooser: umm
Paul Laffing: ?
Bumbol Woodstock: nice Crosis
Bumbol Woodstock: Dude, underhill...
Paul Laffing: ?
Crosis: he tried attacking Elaralith
Fooser: ?
Fooser: whoa
Crosis: sorry
Paul Laffing: ?
Fooser forms silent words with the lips.
Bumbol Woodstock: If you get me iron and coal i will pay you
Fooser: there paul
Paul Laffing forms silent words with the lips.
Paul Laffing: mes pen
Crosis: i was trying to move you
Bumbol Woodstock: go to the cross then coem back
Paul Laffing forms silent words with the lips.
Paul Laffing: mes pen
Paul Laffing forms silent words with the lips.
Paul Laffing: mes pen
Crosis forms silent words with the lips.
Crosis forms silent words with the lips.
Fooser: Dont worry paul ill save you
Crosis forms silent words with the lips.
Paul Laffing: Ahh!
Fooser: whats he doing
Paul Laffing: It follows!
Fooser forms silent words with the lips.
Bumbol Woodstock: oooo ahh
Fooser forms silent words with the lips.
Bumbol Woodstock: i got 199 daggers in bank!
Bumbol Woodstock: hi
Paul Laffing: Stay away all hobbits!
Fooser: dont worry paul ill save you
Bumbol Woodstock: here paul
Paul Laffing: ?
Bumbol Woodstock: Ill you
Bumbol Woodstock: kill you
Bumbol Woodstock: heheh
Bumbol Woodstock: just joking.
Paul Laffing: suuuuure
Bumbol Woodstock: hm...
Bumbol Woodstock: paul
Paul Laffing hides.
Bumbol Woodstock: can a practice archery on you?
Fooser: oh Paul
Bumbol Woodstock: its simple
Fooser: Stop being such a baby
Bumbol Woodstock: You put an apple over your head...
Paul Laffing: I have no armour on!
Paul Laffing: Randelf!
Bumbol Woodstock: i shoot and arrow and see if i can hit the apple...
Paul Laffing: Help me!
Bumbol Woodstock: bahahahaa
Fooser: get behind me Paul
Someone (37185): haha
Paul Laffing: The haflings are after my blood!
Bumbol Woodstock: for a human Paul you are very much a girl.
Bumbol Woodstock: boo!
Someone (37185): (( i wrote email to violation@illarion.org because you killed me 8 times, when i was a ghost )
Paul Laffing: Say that to me whem i have armour on
Crosis: you need to stop this underhill
Bumbol Woodstock: how did i kill you?
Someone (37185): i lost all my skills because
Bumbol Woodstock: or anyone kill you
Someone (37185): you can kill ghosts
Crosis: ((hah i didnt kill you 8 times!))
Bumbol Woodstock: you dont have any skills
Bumbol Woodstock: you only steal
Someone (37185): when you attack ghosts they get killed again and again
Bumbol Woodstock: then dont give back what you steal
Someone (37185): and thats pk
Someone (37185): you get banned soon
Someone (37185): because of ghostkilling
Bumbol Woodstock: you are a lieing theif.
Someone (37185): lol, no i have a log data
Someone (37185): and a screenshot
ok
Fooser: How do you kill a ghost?
Paul Laffing: ((that entire post was ooc))
Someone (27948): Hi Bambool
Paul Laffing: ((you can get reported for that))
((post?))
Someone (37185): (( attack a ghost, then youll kill it ))
Crosis: ((you cant kill a ghost!))
Pebrarco Noital: where is randelf?
Crosis: ((and i didnt attack you as a ghost))
Someone (37185): (( but bumbol did )
Pebrarco Noital: ah crap
Bumbol Woodstock: yep
Fooser: Paul
Bumbol Woodstock: cause you deserved it
Pebrarco Noital: hey Randelf
Someone (37185): (( THATS ILLEGAL BUMBOL ))
Randelf: ((LAG))
Randelf: Hey.
Crosis: ((so is stealing then logging off))
Bumbol Woodstock: so is stealing, then dieing and not giving back what you stole.
Randelf: Pebrarco.
Someone (37185): (( i lost all my stats ))
Randelf: Go to the tavern.
Pebrarco Noital: ?
Randelf: Arvillion wants to speak to you.
Pebrarco Noital: ok
Bumbol Woodstock: but you seem to have forgotten that
Pebrarco Noital: you come also
Someone (37185): i want 5 silver as a sorry
Someone (37185): or you get banned
Bumbol Woodstock: ahahahahaha
Paul Laffing takes out his bow and aims it at the hobbit.
Someone (37185): ok, then you'll get banned
Paul Laffing: Is that a threat?
Fooser: Paul...
Bumbol Woodstock: i'd rather get banned then let you buy more boos.
Someone (27948): hi Bambool
Someone (37185): bye well see... youll get banned belive me
Bumbol Woodstock: ok
Paul Laffing: ((i think i don't like this hobbit and i shall report him for all the ooc))
Bumbol Woodstock: hey Crosis...
Bumbol Woodstock: ((if i get banned i better give the Hobbiteers my gold...
Crosis: ((you wont get banned though))
Bumbol Woodstock: come on..
Paul Laffing: I don't like that hobbit
Bumbol Woodstock: ((yea i will i killed him a lot.))
Paul Laffing frowns.
Fooser: Paul you pubk
Fooser: n*
Paul Laffing: Underhill better watchhimself, or else...
Fooser: how do you kill a dead person...
Paul Laffing: don't ask me
Paul Laffing: wait
Fooser: is that all you do? fish
Paul Laffing: While we're on the subject
Paul Laffing: How do you kill a skeleton?
Paul Laffing: Or a zombie?
Fooser: with a weapon...
Paul Laffing: Aren't they dead already?
Fooser: well they are monsters
Paul Laffing: dead monsters
Fooser: how can you fish all day, where's the excitement
Paul Laffing: Its so relaxing
Fooser: Where's the ogre killing
Paul Laffing: now leave me to my work
Fooser sighs.
Randelf lets the bucket slip out of the hands and it sinks to the ground.
Fooser blows in a horn and produces some awful noise.
Randelf: platsch
Paul Laffing: Welcome to Illarion. There are 9 other players online.
Paul Laffing: Be sure to follow the rules, given on the homepage http://rules.illarion.org - if you don't, you may be deleted without warning.

Crosis: bumbol
Bumbol Woodstock: yes?
Elaralith: Farethee well my friends
Elaralith: Elara guide you all!
Bumbol Woodstock: ((ok.))
Crosis (w): ((did you report that thief?))
Paul Laffing (w): not yet
Bumbol Woodstock: Crosis... that guy backstabbed us...

Here is my log

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:58 pm

There is some pretty conclusive evidence. The hobbit speaks OOC, attacks Elaralith, tries to make Bumbol pay him so he won't report him, and steals without returning, AND steals then logs off. I think that is a pretty big case against the hobbit.

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:59 pm

Right now there are 3 people banned for time.

It can very easily be changed to a permaban (forever).

If you are fighting with a group of people, and one of the people start to break the rules, and you help them, you are guilty of the crime too.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 11:00 pm

So it will become a permaban because we are defending ourselves?! That is not fair, for a game that is supposed to be democratic.

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 11:04 pm

Ummm... democratic?

Where does it say anywhere that this is a democratic game?

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 11:05 pm

Paul Laffing: ((that entire post was ooc))
Someone (27948): Hi Bambool
Paul Laffing: ((you can get reported for that))

okay, well......im sorry paul, but, thats not much to report. but anyhow......thats not the subjcet....Theifs are supposed to give back what you steal. But, they dont anymore.( guess they dont read the rules.....)

anyhow, It is apparant to me, that, bumbol didnt know attacking the ghost will kill them repededly. He might have just thought that it would make the sound or something....hehe.....maybe to scare him away, but i dont know.

@Serpardum---what if you just stand there, and watch? is that against the rules? and if they are only banned for time, how long will it be?

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 11:08 pm

Ooooh, i see. This is a communist game, and i have been convicted in a kangaroo court. Okay, thank you for your time. Goodbye.