hmm...

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:03 am

Hello all.
Is it possible to somehow know what the account people rate new applicants on?
Not to sound horribly elitist or anything like that, but a lot of newcomers have emminently shown their lack of understanding of roleplaying aswell as shown utter andcomplete disregard for game rules... and yet they still made it through the account application thingy...

Might it be suggested that the requirements be beefed up quite a bit?
It almost feels as though this new application thing has had noeffect at all...

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:08 am

It would be quite impossible to stop all rulebreakers and ignorant people from getting in. All we can do is punish them when it does happen.

Setherioth · Post by **Setherioth** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:32 am

I don't know about that Mishrack. I havn't seen one PK at all since the new client, nor have i seen any problems regarding roleplay and such. I know there has been some, but from what I have seen they have certainly gone down a lot.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 3:08 pm

As somebody has already said in another post somewhere, all that is needed to get through the application system, is an affinity or flair for story writing.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 3:10 pm

Or a family member/ friend who does this for you...

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 3:46 pm

Exactly.
Besides, I'm not mentioning any names, but I have witnessed alot of people swapping things between chars and such, which really didnt use to happen much before....
justan example out of many.
Just because we don't have many pk'ers doesn't mean we don't have other types of rule breakers.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 4:41 pm

I have been PKed so many times its not even funny, mostly by people who just wanted to prove they could kill me. Anyway, i am afraid that my friend won't get in because he is using my last name as we will be brothers and the admins might think it is me using a different email.

dendthor · Post by **dendthor** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 5:34 pm

Hi there,

I think the e-mail authorisation uses that ones who only want to test a game can't enter. So they will be a bit frightened and they first think twice if they do so much efforts...

(I hope my English is not too bad...)

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dendthor

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 5:42 pm

The account system is effective. But it lacks against people of the kind "I absolutely don't get the point but it sounds like fun."
Those, especially younger, players have nothing bad in mind but fromtheir lack of understanding they have someone help them with major parts of the story and explaining the sense of roleplaying to them. which they can't keep up once they are in game. Those people surely have the potential to become good roleplayers, but they need to get a little bit more mature first.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 7:16 pm

I think you are descriminating against younger players because i am sure there are older players who are immature.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 7:27 pm

Paul, we are not discriminating against younger players. That conversation was already held under Age.

We are simply annoyed and peeved at the sheer volumous amounts of players who think they can roleplay, but just re-inact scenes from their favourite books, shows etc.

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 9:08 pm

The advantages of the account system are at least two:
- very bad players are turned away
- if a bad player gets another person to write the story for him, he will get the account - but it will take about a week. If he then misbehaves and will get banned, he can't just create a new character and log back in. He has to apply for an account again and wait for a week. If the person writing the story for him, is one of his parents, they might get suspicious why he had been banned and won't allow him to play further.

Sir Gannon · Post by **Sir Gannon** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 9:21 pm

I do agree with Bror... Whats really funnny is that when I first started I was probably just as bad as all of the new players at roleplaying. But unless they talk ooc ALL the time I see no reason not to give them a chance. It takes a little time to become a decent roleplayer. I mean there ARE SOME bad ones that get thru. But nothing is always 100% percent effective. Truly when they get someone else to write it for them. So even thou they may be bad at first all we can do is give them some help and a chance.

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 10:14 pm

I do agree with both Sir Gannon and Bror.

paul laffing wrote:Anyway, i am afraid that my friend won't get in because he is using my last name as we will be brothers and the admins might think it is me using a different email.

I am worried as well, Paul.

I'm really anxious to start roleplaying.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:27 pm

I remember when i first started, i wasn't on 1 hour, and Sir Gannon yelled at me because i wasn't roleplaying since i had very little clue what i was doing. Which also brings up another topic. I have let people play on my character supervised so that when they get their character, they know what to do and can roleplay correctly. Otherwise, they don't know since there is no real tutorial, and they walk around screaming ooc stuff. What is wrong with what i am doing?

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:29 pm

Your going to find those type of people no matter what you do. The best you can do is keep the account system the way it is, and filter out the bad ones once they get through.

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:52 pm

paul laffing wrote:I have let people play on my character supervised so that when they get their character, they know what to do and can roleplay correctly. Otherwise, they don't know since there is no real tutorial, and they walk around screaming ooc stuff. What is wrong with what i am doing?

Paul is right. It was only because he let me play while supervising me for a few minutes that I wanted to join Illarion. He also taught me how to do many things in the game.

Loki Feuerhaar · Post by **Loki Feuerhaar** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:59 pm

There is only one "little problem", it is forbidden by rules.

12. Character trading

Characters can not be borrowed, exchanged or sold to anyone.

Yours,
Loki

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 4:40 am

Otherwise, they don't know since there is no real tutorial, and they walk around screaming ooc stuff. What is wrong with what i am doing?

There is a tutorial. browse the site, and check out Moonsilver's realm aswell, and you will know everything you need to know to get started. If you cannot even be arsed to do so, you probably wouldn't be a good player anyway.

Sir Gannon · Post by **Sir Gannon** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 4:57 am

I resent that paul! I didnt know how long you had been on! Hey didnt i tell you what you SHOULD have been doing thou? >_< Seems im always getting blamed for one thing or another.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 5:13 am

Loki Feuerhaar wrote:There is only one "little problem", it is forbidden by rules.

12. Character trading

Characters can not be borrowed, exchanged or sold to anyone.
Yours,
Loki

Where does this apply to me? I did not let him borrow it, i didn't trade it for a new character, and i didn't sell it to him. I only supervised him using the character.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 5:15 am

paul laffing wrote:I have let people play on my character

In other words, you let people borrow your character.

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 5:50 am

@Dyluck
If you are going to quote someone use the entire sentence.
He said SUPERVISED which means he was sitting right there the whole time. Which would be no different than Paul doing it himself.

If he was letting someone borrow the character than he would not be surpervising but be somewhere else. This could be considered powergaming because you could keep a character going on and on between different players while the others were away. But Paul was not away, he was supervising.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 5:52 am

Do the rules say anything about supervising or not? If I supervise you while you're using my tennis racket, does that mean it's no different than me using it myself?

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 3:39 pm

Technically he wasn't borrowing it. Borrowing it would be something like Paul giving him his password so he can play by himself, but he was there, it isn't a big problem.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 3:58 pm

I wonder why there is a complaint but I really see nothing wrong with the system as it is. Although if you think about it. Not many people that aren't RPG hungry would wait that long just to get into a game. Most kids at my school found out that I did this and joined this game and they thought it was quite weird what I did just to get into a game. (my parents got a hold of the story I wrote and sent it to my teacher. Never know what she will do with it!!)

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 4:18 pm

i agree with kasume. Just that the person takes the time to send in an application and answer the question shows that they want to play, and during there waiting time they will most likely look at all the stuff on the website and see how to play, all the site needs is some basic stuff like hold shift and click on item then what you want to use it on to do an action. People are always asking how do that

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 9:24 pm

There is no need to blame Paul for anything.

I was just playing for a minute to see how the game was like. Since I liked it, I'm getting an account soon.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 10:02 pm

"Since I liked it, I'm getting an account soon"

That's if you are accepted.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 11:05 pm

I dunno about the application system. It took me two minutes to write the application, and then i emailed it in and i was accepted. But then again, i am very creative and intelligent.

(my parents got a hold of the story I wrote and sent it to my teacher. Never know what she will do with it!!)

My parents didn't even know i had to send an application and they wouldn't care. I guess they know how smart i am.