Realism

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 12:49 am

Greetings!

I would like to address the topic of "realism" in illarion. There seem to be a group of people that think realism is no good for a fantasy game like illarion. The thing is that illarion is first and foremost a Role Playing Game and in order to roleplay there must be some things that are "realistic" as in illarion your character plays a whole other life. The fun factor is intricately tied with realism in illarion. As it is fantasy of course there are some things like "magic" that are not "realistic", but what is really meant behind the word "realistic" in relation to illarion is "realistic" in the RP medieval fantasy style. Hope I cleared some things up!

Thank you!
-Elaralith

Kringin · Post by **Kringin** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 9:51 pm

You maybe right Elaralith but there seems to be too much of realism, and too much of realism sucks because real life sucks.

Uhh and since that it is a fantasy game shouldn't there be "fantasy based realism"? meaning that its realism is totally made up? Instead of it being "realism based fantasy" ?

Ah! now there's something for you to think about.

Have a nice day.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 11:09 pm

@Kringin You still don't get it. This is a medieval - based fantasy RPG
NOT some fantasy out of your imagination! Of course since it IS fantasy things are not totally realistically accurate in the medieval sense, but still because of its GENRE it needs to stick to its roots... I hope I have opened your eyes a bit more to what kind of game illarion is.

Kringin · Post by **Kringin** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:37 am

Elaralith you act as if you know more than others, I shall ignore that fact. Your roleplaying in Illarion is seeping through to your real life or so it seems.

I already know what this game is without opening my eyes and what it is based of but as I had said before "there is too much realism" therefore we do not need more realism. This is my final point.

Have a nice day.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:02 am

@Kringin The very fact that you just posted what you posted shows that ... you still don't get it! I am sorry, but I have many other important matters to attend to, and cannot waste all my time trying to explain things to you...I tried.

-Elaralith

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:15 am

But still, there are some major things that aren't in the game that were in the middle ages, first off they didn't have bricks, which is what all the buildings are made from, and they had horses and more farming and lot of other stuff, so it isnt really a total midieval based

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:20 am

They didn't have brick, fooser? Then how did they build their castles? Out of straw?

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:22 am

Their called stones Paul

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:23 am

accually paul, they made castles out of cut stone, but they did have brick, thats what most of the the great wall of china is made of , and only god knows how long before midevil times that was, europeans just didnt use it but this isnt necessarily in europe now is it

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:24 am

Europeans didnt use it until colonial times

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:47 am

brick, cut stones, whats the difference?

Kringin · Post by **Kringin** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:00 am

Elaralith:
I stated an opinion about your topic message to give you my opinion then you argued and then I reread the topic message carefully. It seems as if you are just stating something and do not want a reply if thats the case then why did you even post this in the first place? 90% of what you said everyone knows, well almost. Everyone knows that illarion is a medieval fantasy gaem, everyone knows that it is supposed to have fantasy and a few things that are realistic. The "fun factor" is not intricately tied with realism in illarion but it is simple enough for a youngan to figure out.

Or is it that you just want positive answers? noone is confused about reality and fantasy, you are just babbling and talking away stating absolutely the obvious. If they were confused wouldn't you think they would ask? You should read what you wrote then put yourself in someone else's place then read it and try to comprehend what it says, does it give a statement? an answer? a positive message? etc.

Am i wasting your time well then dont post, and if you are so busy then stop asking people for things.

Illarion does not need reality and reality sucks. is this the answer you wanted? if you think I still dont get it then tell me.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:03 am

ooooooh... Harsh

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:19 am

paul laffing wrote:ooooooh... Harsh

Definetly

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 4:23 am

@Kringin: Do you know we are talking about when we are say "realism" for Illarion?

By "realism", we DON'T mean that we should make the game more similar to real life.
When we say "realism", it means that we want things for Illarion that MAKES SENSE in the point of view of your roleplayed character.

The whole point of the Elaralith's first post was to clear up what we mean by "realism", but you just keep babbling about REALITY compared to a GAME. She was never talking about REALITY. Nobody says you should add cars and computers to Illarion to make it more like REALITY. By realism, we are talking about a concept of logic, NOT your real life experiences called REALITY. Understand the difference? Try to think about it.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 9:20 pm

@Dyluck Well said, Dyluck. You saved me the time of saying something similar

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@Kringin You say that 90% of what I said everyone knows. Then why is it that people like you know it, but still don't get it? I will not waste more words on replying to rude people like you. Noone deserves your rudeness, stop acting like I am your "mom" who you can chatter at all day.
About bricks, they were already in use before the medieval era. In Egyptian times there were bricks so stop the talk about "bricks appearing only in colonial times."
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Kringin · Post by **Kringin** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 9:36 pm

Maybe i had misinterpreted my self at firts a little but...

First of all I never mentioned anythign about cars and stuff I had not even given a example thinking that you might know what I mean but... What you are saying is not REALISM, what you are saying is the environment and the POINT OF VIEW of you character to make sense. This topic was pointless then.

(get a dictionary your vocab. seems to be distorted)

"...we want things for Illarion that MAKES SENSE in the point of view of your roleplayed character."

Do you really think that the roleplayed character really gives a crap, he is controlled by us, he does not think on his own. What you are stating is unreal, we are the ones who decide about the point of view. You seem to be close to be roleplaying right now or so it seems to be.

If you are just trying to clear things up, then why in the world is this topic even posted? There is no point, noone will listen except for a certain few. Don't you think that someone would ask if confused? do you really think anyone cares about this?

I would never ever think of you as my "mom"

you've got some nerve to even think that

. Bleh you sicken me.

well I dont like your attitude and you dont like mine, well too bad because I dont care. Too bad reality sucks eh?

LOL!!

Rugosch · Post by **Rugosch** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 10:47 pm

Sorry, Kringin, but youre wrong.

Realism is an natural event. For example:

You can define, that items break or not. If items shall break in a world, it is the realism of the world. In the other way also.
This is the realism. Not Reality (Reality: it breaks, because this is real) and not point-of-view (Point-Of-View: If I think, that items doesnt break, items wouldnt break. If I think, that items break, items would break. Nothing were defined.).

((Sorry for bad english. I hope, that all understand this.))

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 10:49 pm

We arent talking about Egypt, we're talking about Europe, and during the middle ages the majority of their buildings were not brick

Kringin · Post by **Kringin** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:11 am

I accept what Rugosch has said he makes more sense then Both Dyluck and Elaralith. He should have been the one who had posted this topic in my opinion.

Also another one of my point was that this topic to be posted was not necessary and everyone knows these things.

And Fooser is just out there in nowhere.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:29 am

This got too complicated for me. We started with realism, went into history, and came out with roleplaying philosophy.

And Fooser is just out there in nowhere.

Have to agree with you there

Guardian Angel · Post by **Guardian Angel** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:35 am

@Krigin: The who point of Elaralith's post and Dyluck and Rugosch was to explain what people mean when they are talking here about the abstract concept called "realism". They are not talking about "reality" as confused people like you keep thinking. That was the point of the making this topic, for confused people like you.

Kringin wrote:IAlso another one of my point was that this topic to be posted was not necessary and everyone knows these things.

The topic was necessary because there are people like you who don't know that they are not talking about reality when they talk about "realism". It is for people like YOU who are confused about what they mean by realism, that they are not talking about reality. It doesn't matter what your dictionary says, the point of the thread was to explain what THEY meant by realism.

"...we want things for Illarion that MAKES SENSE in the point of view of your roleplayed character."

This is called roleplaying. Learn it.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:48 am

Elaralith always has to be right, again

My dictionary said

concern for fact or reality and rejection of the impractical and visionary

I don't know about you, but if you want to make your own definitions, go ahead. Just don't post them as actual definitions!!!!!!

Guardian Angel · Post by **Guardian Angel** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:58 am

@Paul: Nobody is making their own definitions. You're just not sharp enough to understand the how the words realism, reality, and realistic can be applied.

Is it realistic for people to shoot fireballs in real life? NO
Is it realistic for people to shoot fireballs in Illarion? YES

Is it reality that there are beholders in real life? NO
Is it reality that there are beholders in Illarion? YES

You're another one of those people who don't understand, which is why others have to explain precisely what they mean when they use these words.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:05 am

What happened is, you got so caught up in Illarion, you turned into your character. At least, thats what happened to Elaralith

Loki Feuerhaar · Post by **Loki Feuerhaar** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:11 am

Dont insult other Persons,Paul! Maybe its just you who is caught up in his onw "world".
By the way, Paul. there is no need to commentate everything whats said on the boards.
Thanks

Yours,
Loki

Edit: minor spelling mistake

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:14 am

commend? ...i think you picked the wrong word.

Kringin · Post by **Kringin** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:55 am

I believe all of you need to work on your writing skills. You do not support them with proper examples, instead you are trying to discourage the writer in a totally opposite manner in which they had posted their opinion or reply from their point of view when you post your reply to them.

This is the truth. Am i wrong?

It is possible to shoot fireballs just ignite a ball on fire and throw it, duh.
Dont tell me you dont believe in aliens

Paul is right some of you have turned in their own characters. heh heh.
I have multiple personalities, my brain hurts.

Guardian Angel · Post by **Guardian Angel** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 2:51 am

The only ones here with worse writing skills than you are paul and those who dont' speak english as a first language.

You keep talking about how people are putting down your opinions. That's nonsesne. There was never anything for you to form an opinion about. The who point of the topic was just to let people like you understand what exactly was meant when the topic of "Realism" was being discussed. You just failed to understand that and kept going on and on about how Illarion shouldn't be like reality, etc.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 7:22 am

Not every house in medieval times was made from cut stones... They were made from a woodenframe filled with clay bricks.
Cut stones were only for the ground walls or walls that had to withstand heavy fire, like castle walls.