Balance of Weapons

abcfantasy · Post by **abcfantasy** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:32 am

Korm Kormsen wrote:one of my chars had a fistfight a couple of days ago. he got three swirlies.

and when learning a new skill, it raises quickly at first...

Cuthalion · Post by **Cuthalion** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:12 pm

Well, if it takes long for everyone to lvl, it's at least fair. That is more than one can say about the weapons system.

Vorg · Post by **Vorg** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:52 pm

A slight tinkle would be nice.. ie

Two Handers, more damage
Two weapons, no change
Weapon Shield, more parry ( Currently its pointless using this combination as the parry gained from the shield does not offset the amount of damage taken whilst facing someone with two blades

)

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:20 pm

*adds to the list*

Wrestling boost... or ability to disarm, or to pin a person down.. or .. something

Lrmy · Post by **Lrmy** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:26 pm

Any wrestler could realisticly be killed by any person with some slight skill with a sword. What would the wrestler do? Grab the blade and pull it out of their hand?

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:27 pm

Lrmy wrote:Any wrestler could realisticly be killed by any person with some slight skill with a sword. What would the wrestler do? Grab the blade and pull it out of their hand?

Disarm them.

I disarmed a n00b once. He ctrl clicked me then accidently dragged his weapon to the ground. I picked it up and rp holding it at his neck.

Smooth moves.

Lrmy · Post by **Lrmy** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:28 pm

What was the point of that post?

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:31 pm

Lrmy wrote:What was the point of that post?

Well you COULD disarm someone if you were Dei Gorgeon.

I think if you have a bigassed sword you should be able to knock a little puny blade out of someone's hands.

Mr. Cromwell · Post by **Mr. Cromwell** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:14 am

Cuthalion wrote:Well, if it takes long for everyone to lvl, it's at least fair. That is more than one can say about the weapons system.

Yeah, but considering how I managed to die again due to lag, this is so fucking disheartening. Endless hours wasted. *sigh*

Surefire way to kill desire to play for me.

Alkuurg · Post by **Alkuurg** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:14 am

That's the point. Dying is meant to be bad for you!

Mr. Cromwell · Post by **Mr. Cromwell** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:05 pm

Bad for me? That's quite malicious way of looking at things, really.

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:46 pm

Bad for everyone old man.

And the rolly eye thing

Dont do it... its brings out the urge in me to shoot something

Mr. Cromwell · Post by **Mr. Cromwell** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:00 pm

Yeah, but the problem is that his statment is true. It's bad for me, the player, who has to do mindnumbingly-boring stuff AGAIN to gain back the skill lost, and not the character (who can shrug it off at will).

Alkuurg · Post by **Alkuurg** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:04 pm

It is your choice to perform such mindnumbingly-boring actions again. You're not forced to do so. Losing the skill is bad for the character, powergaming it back up again is bad for the player.

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:13 pm

And if dieing was seen as a everyday occurance, and the penalty not harsh.. what would be the point at all..

Ask anyone my characters are notorious for dieing, and i never get any good skill as i keep dieing

i dont complain, at the end of the day its my own fault.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:19 pm

Aristeaus wrote:And if dieing was seen as a everyday occurance, and the penalty not harsh.. what would be the point at all..

Ask anyone my characters are notorious for dieing, and i never get any good skill as i keep dieing i dont complain, at the end of the day its my own fault.

I won with my bidaily cloudings. Not been killed by a player since... well about April/May by a bandit char. And before then about January. Been monster killed in the graveyard the day before Christmas and before that... er... July maybe?

And I have all blue skills ^^ ('cept human, common, lute, elf, ancient)

Anyways, why are skills so important to you? Back in the day we used to rp fights (but sometimes there were ctrl click duels admittedly) but basically you could beat anyone with dark blue skills if you rped appropriately. And who cares if you can't take a demon skeleton or something, why do you need to kill them anyway? Before they gave substantial amounts of money we were fine, just deal with it. Whinging won't get your skills back.

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:22 pm

Why do we need to kill skeletons?

simple:

when groups go together: "hey, let us battle our way through the graveyard to explore!" there can be great roleplay opportunity. If you cannot kill monsters, you wont get to explore very far. Skills back up roleplay.

Stuikerd · Post by **Stuikerd** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:27 pm

and skills make you more powerfull. Everyone will be afraid of you, or they should be

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:29 pm

Skills back up roleplay.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:02 pm

Stuikerd wrote:and skills make you more powerfull. Everyone will be afraid of you, or they should be

They wouldn't know. If you rp an intimidating character; even if he has blue skills my character may be scared. If you have a character with yellow skills, my character wouldn't know and he wouldn't give you the chance to attack him; so he'd never find out. I don't really give a damn what colour skills your character has, frankly, as long as he's rped well.

And @Retlak I've been down the graveyard before and there's barely anything to comment on. Oh rocks. Oh a building. Oh a river.

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:06 pm

When you play a lich, thats practically the only place there is to go :/

plus it has a challenge to explore.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:16 pm

Retlak wrote:When you play a lich, thats practically the only place there is to go :/

plus it has a challenge to explore.

But Mr Cromwell aint a lich

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:17 pm

Lrmy wrote:Any wrestler could realisticly be killed by any person with some slight skill with a sword. What would the wrestler do? Grab the blade and pull it out of their hand?

Erm.. yes
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Its called disarming, and people who learn martial arts learn to do with to some degree.

Mr. Cromwell · Post by **Mr. Cromwell** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:34 pm

AlexRose wrote:
Aristeaus wrote:And if dieing was seen as a everyday occurance, and the penalty not harsh.. what would be the point at all..

Ask anyone my characters are notorious for dieing, and i never get any good skill as i keep dieing i dont complain, at the end of the day its my own fault.
I won with my bidaily cloudings. Not been killed by a player since... well about April/May by a bandit char. And before then about January. Been monster killed in the graveyard the day before Christmas and before that... er... July maybe?

And I have all blue skills ^^ ('cept human, common, lute, elf, ancient)

Anyways, why are skills so important to you? Back in the day we used to rp fights (but sometimes there were ctrl click duels admittedly) but basically you could beat anyone with dark blue skills if you rped appropriately. And who cares if you can't take a demon skeleton or something, why do you need to kill them anyway? Before they gave substantial amounts of money we were fine, just deal with it. Whinging won't get your skills back.

Why are skills so important for me?

Skills back up roleplay.

Bluffing all the time is not much fun, really.

If you intend to play a character that has conflicts with other characters, then chances are that you need skills. Period. Unless the conflicts end with your character losing all the time.. and premeditated outcome is not something that I deem to be particularly interesting.

Sure, you have a character concept that doesn't require skills. Good for you. You RP your fights, that's even better. If we are ever to fight IG, throw me a line OOC and I'll be happy to conform to your needs. Until then, we also have a thing called engine which is heavily dependant on skills. I've yet see a fight being RP'ed, except of one 'fight' between my character and other, which was initiated by yours truly.

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:37 pm

I agree completly, never said i did not. I just think the penalty for death should be harsh, or the concept of dieing will lose its fear.

Mr. Cromwell · Post by **Mr. Cromwell** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:39 pm

Aristeaus wrote:I agree completly, never said i did not. I just think the penalty for death should be harsh, or the concept of dieing will lose its fear.

Considering how hard it is to gain skill, I would be more satisfied with something along the lines of a 75% temporary health penalty. That would affect the character a lot more. And piss the players off less, I think.

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:41 pm

We need Temporary penalties, no longer real ones.

Temporary penalties can be fun, for the oponent and the player (new opportunities and he knows he has not lost a long time of training)

Permanent penalties like the current one is rather not wanted, they make people agressive, angry, upset, and make them spend more time training and not roleplaying to get them back.

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:42 pm

I can say I agree to the fullest. Permanent penalties are also a factor in the thing I call skill focus, instead of roleplay focus.

Alytys Lamar · Post by **Alytys Lamar** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:49 pm

Exactly, Train and loose again while a lag you get kicked is really annoying. And my focus is RP, but i need her to train *shrugs*