An apology
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- Garett Gwenour
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An apology
Yes it is no joke, I really will apologise and shall be totally serious this time.
1. Unneeded OOC and assumptions.
As the character Gerron Defreny was walking past my character Jeran Malvok and I had made assumptions about him being pushed, I got sort of angry about my new evil character about to get owned by an assumingly pushed character so I argued with PO gerron ooc until he convinced me that his character wasn’t pushed. Then I simply had my character Jeran make a few snide comments and run away.
For that I am sorry, I really did act on an impulsion and did not think of the consequences of my actions, now I understand why it was bad and I for sure will not do it again if I am ever unbanned.
2. Acting immature with a GM instead of behaving seriously.
This occurred the day after I had made it clear to PO gerron I would not be telling him the names of the people who told me he was playing Gerron, however I also made it clear I would set them straight and for them not to tell anyone else. However whilst training Jeran again I was teleported to the GM castle by some unknown guy I originally assumed was PO Gerron however it seems it wasn’t him and instead was Vilarion. Well, I took him serious the first few minutes until I let it sink in that I was being questioned a second time for things I have already explained, however it seemed that I had froze my account or something so I logged out and while waiting for the server to come back I thought of what to do. It seemed to be a good idea to log back in and make a joke out of it, assuming the Gm had a sense of humor at all it would be well played ( I was thinking of Gm’s like Aegohl, Japheth, or even Loralyn who would have such a sense of humor for theatrics and would maybe spank my hand for not taking them seriously but would never ban me permanently). I checked the server online list with my mind set what I would do and found the server hadn’t frozen and maybe it was just lag.
From there I started mess with him by acting if I still was in my character while it obviously was a totally OOC situation. Instead of just answering the simple questions asked, I tried to be funny by acting as if my character was being tortured, making Vilarion loses his time with me and it probably did make him angry, it is understandable.
It was not smart of me and I am aware of it now, I have no idea why I did act this way but I swear that now I am regretting it deeply. I really did not think this whole thing would go as far is it has gone, I was only wanting to have fun even though that is hardly a good enough reason to forgive my doings.
3. Posting the logs on the forum and acting like an asshole
After getting told I would be banned for my wrong doings, at the end of the ‘talk’ with Vilarion, I have gotten really pissed. I didn’t think of my actions and as such I have posted the logs with Vilarion on the forums, which is not allowed unless all players within the logs agreed.
For that I also am ashamed, this was also something that shown immaturity and that I obviously didn’t think before doing, I as well learned of that and would not do this again.
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The only thing I want is to play the game again. This time, since it has involved a permanent ban, It REALLY did give me a lesson I will not forget soon. The other bans I did not take too seriously since those were temporary, sadly enough they did not do what they were meant to do to me, give me a lesson and not do such things again.
I have ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder), and I think this is why I am sometimes doing rash unthoughtful things. I know this cannot excuse all my doings, but to let you know I recently started talking pills against it, so that such things do not happen once more. I am saying again, I am dearly sorry for all that I done and if you ever unban me again I swear I will do my best not to break any rules and to be respectful with the staff members, which are making this game possible. If this whole thing was meant to give me a lesson, then it worked and I thank you for that, if it wasn’t please I am asking you to understand me, a simple player who wants to play illa like anyone else and will surely remember this thing.
- Sam
1. Unneeded OOC and assumptions.
As the character Gerron Defreny was walking past my character Jeran Malvok and I had made assumptions about him being pushed, I got sort of angry about my new evil character about to get owned by an assumingly pushed character so I argued with PO gerron ooc until he convinced me that his character wasn’t pushed. Then I simply had my character Jeran make a few snide comments and run away.
For that I am sorry, I really did act on an impulsion and did not think of the consequences of my actions, now I understand why it was bad and I for sure will not do it again if I am ever unbanned.
2. Acting immature with a GM instead of behaving seriously.
This occurred the day after I had made it clear to PO gerron I would not be telling him the names of the people who told me he was playing Gerron, however I also made it clear I would set them straight and for them not to tell anyone else. However whilst training Jeran again I was teleported to the GM castle by some unknown guy I originally assumed was PO Gerron however it seems it wasn’t him and instead was Vilarion. Well, I took him serious the first few minutes until I let it sink in that I was being questioned a second time for things I have already explained, however it seemed that I had froze my account or something so I logged out and while waiting for the server to come back I thought of what to do. It seemed to be a good idea to log back in and make a joke out of it, assuming the Gm had a sense of humor at all it would be well played ( I was thinking of Gm’s like Aegohl, Japheth, or even Loralyn who would have such a sense of humor for theatrics and would maybe spank my hand for not taking them seriously but would never ban me permanently). I checked the server online list with my mind set what I would do and found the server hadn’t frozen and maybe it was just lag.
From there I started mess with him by acting if I still was in my character while it obviously was a totally OOC situation. Instead of just answering the simple questions asked, I tried to be funny by acting as if my character was being tortured, making Vilarion loses his time with me and it probably did make him angry, it is understandable.
It was not smart of me and I am aware of it now, I have no idea why I did act this way but I swear that now I am regretting it deeply. I really did not think this whole thing would go as far is it has gone, I was only wanting to have fun even though that is hardly a good enough reason to forgive my doings.
3. Posting the logs on the forum and acting like an asshole
After getting told I would be banned for my wrong doings, at the end of the ‘talk’ with Vilarion, I have gotten really pissed. I didn’t think of my actions and as such I have posted the logs with Vilarion on the forums, which is not allowed unless all players within the logs agreed.
For that I also am ashamed, this was also something that shown immaturity and that I obviously didn’t think before doing, I as well learned of that and would not do this again.
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The only thing I want is to play the game again. This time, since it has involved a permanent ban, It REALLY did give me a lesson I will not forget soon. The other bans I did not take too seriously since those were temporary, sadly enough they did not do what they were meant to do to me, give me a lesson and not do such things again.
I have ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder), and I think this is why I am sometimes doing rash unthoughtful things. I know this cannot excuse all my doings, but to let you know I recently started talking pills against it, so that such things do not happen once more. I am saying again, I am dearly sorry for all that I done and if you ever unban me again I swear I will do my best not to break any rules and to be respectful with the staff members, which are making this game possible. If this whole thing was meant to give me a lesson, then it worked and I thank you for that, if it wasn’t please I am asking you to understand me, a simple player who wants to play illa like anyone else and will surely remember this thing.
- Sam
Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
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Article 10.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
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No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
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Article 10.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
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- WickedEwok
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I wonder why it is so hard for a part of our community to keep at least a single thread free of spam-like/useless/off topic posts. Especially when it is a serious one like this.
If the rest of you feels like discussing the matter of apologising publically then open a new thread.
No, it is not.Is this one of the forced 'public humiliation' thing to get yourself unbanned?
If the rest of you feels like discussing the matter of apologising publically then open a new thread.
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You're talking like a Samurai. He said "Sorry". He apparently just wanted to stop the fighting. I don't see any "Pride loss" in that.Lance Thunnigan wrote:My way of thinking exactly.Hadrian_Abela wrote:Gms are also humans.
If you take a decision, and you fall back on it, it apparently shows weakness.
Its called pride.
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The point is, as Damien said, he's had many chances before.Urilen Quanasuard wrote:You're talking like a Samurai. He said "Sorry". He apparently just wanted to stop the fighting. I don't see any "Pride loss" in that.Lance Thunnigan wrote:My way of thinking exactly.Hadrian_Abela wrote:Gms are also humans.
If you take a decision, and you fall back on it, it apparently shows weakness.
Its called pride.
Also, the view behind the 'pride' is to not fall back on your word. It makes you look like a pushover.
- The Returner
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Stop being black people. Remember what you are, white! The man apolagised, he even said himself he really has learnt his lesson from this perm ban, How cruel can you be?
At the end of the day, Think to yourselves, you guys your fighting are just like you! sitting behind the screen, typing words, they cannot describe emotion! They cannot resemble joking, or smiling, This man is sorry! And he means it! not the words my bretheren!
At the end of the day, Think to yourselves, you guys your fighting are just like you! sitting behind the screen, typing words, they cannot describe emotion! They cannot resemble joking, or smiling, This man is sorry! And he means it! not the words my bretheren!
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The problem is that he has been sorry already some time ago, when he had his "really, really last chance", and still didnt stick to the agreements that were made back then. Since he seemingly had improved, the staff agreed not to do anything when he left this agreement aside.
Try to see it only logical. If a person having had a very, very last chance, was overgoing its conditions and was not kicked because of staff tolerance mainly, and then again causes trouble, a person being known for often playing at the border of rules, then not taking a GM for serious, and afterwards breaking rules openly - could the staff still be taken for serious if he lets that player get away with it ?
It is not a simple incident this time, but a chain of things. The discussions in the staff are still being done.
Try to see it only logical. If a person having had a very, very last chance, was overgoing its conditions and was not kicked because of staff tolerance mainly, and then again causes trouble, a person being known for often playing at the border of rules, then not taking a GM for serious, and afterwards breaking rules openly - could the staff still be taken for serious if he lets that player get away with it ?
It is not a simple incident this time, but a chain of things. The discussions in the staff are still being done.
That is a very good point. I can't remember what he did in the past, so I can't comment much on it. Stephen was given chances and he still messed up. But I still feel that he made only a minor offense. I think powergaming is much worse than anything he was accused of doing here. If he were to create another major offense, I think the punishment would be fit. Besides it's been a while since the last thing I remember him getting yelled at for, A year I think (I think)Damien wrote:The problem is that he has been sorry already some time ago, when he had his "really, really last chance", and still didnt stick to the agreements that were made back then. Since he seemingly had improved, the staff agreed not to do anything when he left this agreement aside.
Try to see it only logical. If a person having had a very, very last chance, was overgoing its conditions and was not kicked because of staff tolerance mainly, and then again causes trouble, a person being known for often playing at the border of rules, then not taking a GM for serious, and afterwards breaking rules openly - could the staff still be taken for serious if he lets that player get away with it ?
It is not a simple incident this time, but a chain of things. The discussions in the staff are still being done.
And by the way, it's human to screw up, this goes for Stephen and the GM's. It's not impossible for the GM's to make a bad descision, and it is certainly not "weakness" to admit it.
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Poots, he has somewhat "fooled" the staff before, when he had his "verys last chance".
This time it was a major thing because he lied to a GM about ingame matters, the second major thing is that he revealed a GM's player char identity. Both are direct rule breakings. So no minor problem here.
You should know the rules before posting on such a matter
This time it was a major thing because he lied to a GM about ingame matters, the second major thing is that he revealed a GM's player char identity. Both are direct rule breakings. So no minor problem here.
You should know the rules before posting on such a matter
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- Garett Gwenour
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No no, im the player and im comfortable with talking about it here. I do not think I ever lied to a gm about ingame events, (sideon is not a gm he is a dev and regardless i did not lie to him about ingame events either). I told him I would not tell him and that I did not know who told me who played Gerron.
Now if the charge is changed from lieing to refuses to tell a GM what they want to know, then you have something against me.
Now if the charge is changed from lieing to refuses to tell a GM what they want to know, then you have something against me.
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we have 7 GM(s) in total, these are their names.
Latharan, lianis, markous, thorvald, arien keikan, loralyn
If I read the rules and it tells me to respect a GM's secret characters I may do so. However there is nothing in the rules involving keeping a dev's characters secret (i would assume largely because until recently they have not done questing things )
However by simple written down game rules, I broke none.
Latharan, lianis, markous, thorvald, arien keikan, loralyn
If I read the rules and it tells me to respect a GM's secret characters I may do so. However there is nothing in the rules involving keeping a dev's characters secret (i would assume largely because until recently they have not done questing things )
However by simple written down game rules, I broke none.
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