Forum Avatars / Forum-Avatare

Alatar · Post by **Alatar** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:21 pm

Please ensure that you don't use avatars with copyrights from others than you or Illarion.
We don't like to get trouble with law. If you don't take this serious I have to deactivate all avatars (worst case).

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Bitte stellt sicher, dass ihr keine Avatare benutzt, an denen Dritte noch Rechte haben (erlaubt sind nur Eigenschöpfungen oder Illariongrafiken).
Wir wollen nicht in Konflikt mit dem Gesetz kommen, momentan läuft angeblich eine Abmahnwelle. Nehmt dies bitte ernst, sonst muss ich die Avatar-Funktion schlimmstenfalls komplett deaktivieren.

Siehe auch: http://www.midgard-forum.de/forum/showt ... hp?t=11908

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:28 pm

hrmm, gute frage.. Wie stehts denn um deinen eigenen Ava, Alatar?

Wie sieht es denn mit den Angeboten diverser Avatar-Seiten aus? sind die rechtlich abgesichert. Sind das deren Eigenkreationen?

J S · Post by **J S** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:21 pm

I told ya'll!

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:24 pm

I think we are all buggered.

Richard Cypher · Post by **Richard Cypher** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:56 pm

No!!! I like my avatar!

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:07 am

Would I be correct to assume that this applies to the picture function for the online list?

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:45 am

Hm thats not good for me lol.

Alli Zelos · Post by **Alli Zelos** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:59 am

awe...who did it?

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:42 am

Lennier wrote:hrmm, gute frage.. Wie stehts denn um deinen eigenen Ava, Alatar?

Yeah he's got a point. I would really suggest people take this seriously. I think fooser has been the only one to change avatars, and I think most people do NOT want to loose having avatars.

Aegohl · Post by **Aegohl** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:50 am

My avatar is from a golden age comic from a company that went out of business generations ago. I think the small clipping of the picture I have fits under the category of "fair use" law.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:55 am

No more running link

Poots · Post by **Poots** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:29 am

what about avatars from the avatar link on the homepage?

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:03 am

I sacrifice myself and use a legal avatar

Richard Cypher · Post by **Richard Cypher** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:08 am

every avatar i use is legal because they are all free avatars i get online lol

Azuros · Post by **Azuros** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:10 am

since mine was copyrighted, i went back to the Cas love fest

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:27 am

Aegohl wrote:I think the small clipping of the picture I have fits under the category of "fair use" law.

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/ wrote:Fair use is a copyright principle based on the belief that the public is entitled to freely use portions of copyrighted materials forpurposes of commentary and criticism.

I can't read your mind on how you used it so I'll let you decide.

Free ≠ Legal

And I made Arameh's avatar.

Aegohl · Post by **Aegohl** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:50 am

Gro'bul wrote:
Aegohl wrote:I think the small clipping of the picture I have fits under the category of "fair use" law.

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/ wrote:Fair use is a copyright principle based on the belief that the public is entitled to freely use portions of copyrighted materials forpurposes of commentary and criticism.
I can't read your mind on how you used it so I'll let you decide.

Free ≠ Legal

And I made Arameh's avatar.

Just because someone can sue you over something (even successfully) doesn't make it illegal, either, though.

Being that I don't know German I can't read the link above and don't know what happened in that case that Alatar is linking, but I *do* know that any case where the law has acted on forum avatars is a rare case. I also know that in cases of copyright law, courts don't take claims seriously unless there was some sort of "cease and desist" communication beforehand. It's only when that is ignored that you actually see a lawsuit, and that goes back to my saying that just because something can get you sued it doesn't make it illegal (especially in the arena of copyright law which is so different from country to country. In the United States copyrights extend forevor to the point where Mickey Mouse, who was invented three generations ago, is still copyrighted. Other countries are more reasonable, since these laws were originally made to protect artists and not massive corporations. They've just been corrupted over the years.)

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:51 am

So, I guess this calls for losta cosplay and taking pictures for our chars then?

I vollunteer to take pictures for all the beautifull elfesses!

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:52 am

Use Tekteks!

NirAntae · Post by **NirAntae** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:58 am

What about free-use artwork? Things like, as Alex says, Tektek, who are designed with every intention of you using them as avatars, or any of the multitude of 'free use avatar' sites, where the artists themselves put their artwork as 'free to use'?

Aegohl · Post by **Aegohl** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:19 am

Those are useable unless the artist later withdraws your right to use them in that fashion. =)

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:19 am

Or artists whom are just fine with you using their artwork as long as you link back to their site? (such as www.furiae.com)

WickedEwok · Post by **WickedEwok** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:46 am

Just do it yourself, aye

Cassandra Fjurin · Post by **Cassandra Fjurin** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:45 pm

i accept it that we can get problems because of the copyrighted material. But i really think that some cooporations overdo it with "law and copyright" sorry.... where do we go if small free associations get punished because they use small pictures. This is only big fat mony making of the cost of some small hobby projects.

Caldrion Sternenglanz · Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:35 pm

Erm....

Wir kriegen hier "eigentlich" nur Probleme, wenn wir eine wirtschaftlich handelnde und auf Gewinn ausgehende Gemeinschaft sind, oder liege ich nun total falsch?

Wir sind de facto unkommerziell. Wäre eine Auflistung aller Internetseiten, welche die Bilder mit Genehmigun zur Verfügung stellen, sinnvoll?

martin · Post by **martin** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:32 pm

There's a famous german lawyer, Frhr. Guenter von Gravenreuth, who is famous for making money out of almost everything and everyone. He's constantly surfing the web and tries to find things and companies to sue, he even sued microsoft for the name "explorer" and seems to have made a rather large amount of money (they paid him good money, as it seems, however he doesn't say how much).

I recommend reading
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Günter_Fre ... ravenreuth

(sorry, german only)

However, I'd be careful. Once a person like him gets wind of this, problems will follow.

Martin

Meriel Pelith · Post by **Meriel Pelith** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:44 pm

http://www.allavatars.com/

I recommend you this site

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:47 pm

Is that a joke???

We have to change our avatars which we love so much to something we drawed self or of what we got the allowness to use?

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Every avatar? even the one we use for the profile in the onöline list?

Thats a catastrophe!

Japheth · Post by **Japheth** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:57 pm

Use Tekteks!

No! Gods no. No offense intended to those who use Tekteks, but they're absolutely vile, insipid and ugly.

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:19 pm

no, that is no joke. it is just typikal german overregulation of everything.
if we, the players use no legal avatars, the master of the forum might be sued for thousends of euro.

what's the problem? here are enough players, who know how to draw or paint.

ask one of them to paint you an avatar. or just use some scetch, like i do. (now)

korm