'Prostitution in Trollsbane' and underaged people.

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:29 pm

There are quite obviously some risks and problems involved oocly.
What if for instance an underaged child player's char would be aproached by a prostitute like that, and all the things that might happen.
I can't say that I havn't had one of my chars make love ingame, but I honestly do think that I handle it with plenty of responsibilty.
But what about those who are less mature in such manners, and a prostitute, trying to earn coins obviously and will do much to do so will try to pursuade that char, and bring the PO some troubles, doubts or things like that, some people may be more sensative to such subjects.

I guess most of you will see my point in this and when you think about it also some other problems wich might occur, and I'm also ig right now so I will keep this as short as it is now.

Markous · Post by **Markous** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:31 pm

Well, if you are adolescent enough to play a prostitute, or do cybersex in Illarion, then you'll do it anyway. And it's restricted to areas where no one else is, anyway.

Cassandra Fjurin · Post by **Cassandra Fjurin** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:31 pm

Illarion is a large CS Community if i watch the players sometimes.... i think if we forbid CS we loss more players than we like to loss... and this is no joke.

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:32 pm

But if you want to play a game where the objective is to level up and kill everything on sight or gain as much skills as possible, then this is not the game for you. This game is strongly recommended for ages 16 and older. This has nothing to do with game content, but rather the maturity required to play the game. Please read the game rules and name rules before you play, so you start the game more easily.

*whistles nearly inaudibly*

Markous · Post by **Markous** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:34 pm

Cassandra Fjurin wrote:Illarion is a large CS Community if i watch the players sometimes.... i think if we forbid CS we loss more players than we like to loss... and this is no joke.

I know that it is a problem. Still, I think Cybersex is for RL frustrated people who seem to be adolescent, and has nothing to do with Illarion.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:35 pm

These things happened frequently in medieval times and probably no doubt in fantasy. And Misj's quote is quite useful also

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:38 pm

16. Considerateness

The own roleplay should follow common moral standards. The play of sexual practices should be restricted to undisturbed places. The play of rape is highly prohibited and leads to a permanent instant server ban. Overplayed violations (tortures, mutilations, executions) are ommited if it's agreed by all participating players.

*is not adding any explanation because these things explain themselves*

NirAntae · Post by **NirAntae** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:38 pm

I think Kevin was referring to younger players being *openly propositioned*, as in by this prostitute character, not whether or not cybering takes place.

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:42 pm

You have a point, and Misj, it says recommended and more than 3/4th of our new player base doesn't even read it.

@Markous: It's true, but what about those who arn't realy out for it and then suddenly get confronted with it? That is where I see some trouble possibly arrising.

And I would like to add: RP is still the main thing, and I don't realy like the name (Cybersex) used, nor do I find it truely fitting, not in my case atleast.
I have indeed gotten somewhat exited by certain happenings ingame, but it stayed and should stay with that alone. RP is still, as it was supposed to be the main reason to play. Hence I don't consider 'mating' ingame as cybersex, but as simply another form of RP. ( Of course there are those who actualy go ingame mainly for such things, wich is Cybersex but it shouldn't be like that.)

Edit: Indeed that was my main reason Jen, thank you. ^_^

Neela Rabenfeder · Post by **Neela Rabenfeder** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:58 pm

thats funny,
to kill someone is no problem for underaged players,
to rob someone is no problem for underaged players,
to steal is no problem for underaged players,
to torture someone is no problem for underaged players,
...
but some cs is?

thats realy funny

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:04 pm

Neela Rabenfeder wrote:thats funny,
to kill someone is no problem for underaged players,
to rob someone is no problem for underaged players,
to steal is no problem for underaged players,
to torture someone is no problem for underaged players,
...
but some cs is?

thats realy funny

I agree totally..we need to remember that cybering is TYPED its not a porn video, there really is nothing that should offend anyone into that. I even find that the punishment for rape is silly..at limit, I think rape should be accepted (in a VERY secluded place and with the consent of the players of course), if its done privately no one can be offended about it so there is no harm.

Nerian Finera · Post by **Nerian Finera** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:05 pm

Neela Rabenfeder wrote:thats funny,
to kill someone is no problem for underaged players,
to rob someone is no problem for underaged players,
to steal is no problem for underaged players,
to torture someone is no problem for underaged players,
...
but some cs is?

thats realy funny

killing and robbing is handled totally different...and keeps the game a game...

EDIT: Arameh...raping...no, never...raping does NOT belong to a game anymore...at this point, the whole thing gets too serious...

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:13 pm

I think you fail to see my point.
Those are considered more harsh crimes, bit children don't tend to be affected to much by them, or don't think about it.
But sexual things can get them thinking more easely I think, and also, how would char child cope with being openly asked like that?
If they would be tempted to agree by a persuasive prostitute, what about those children who havn't even talked or hardly thought of those of the other sex? I think you can all see the consiquences to such things if you truely think about it and stop blinding yourself just 'cause you want prostitutes and to be able to have CS.
And also I would like to add: Not all children have parents who will tell them about such things, or won't get 'pissed off' at seeing their children partake in such activities.

And what about those who don't want to/can't restrain themselves? I think you can all understand what I mean with this.
Now you might think to yourself: "Hey, why the hell do i give a shit about those kids?" and next seek something to post wich hides that thoughtbut still gives your oppinion, or an excuse to allow such things ingame. If that is what you think I honestly can't call you a 'good' person.

I am not complaining against making love ingame, not at all, but against people openly being aproached like that.

I'm also not trying to put certain things or people in a darker light, I just want a fair discussion, don't simply pick what you yourself want and stick with that while ignoring any other comments, there's no dishonor in giving in to changing your oppinion, since that seems to be the case in a large number of the discussions here.

Edit: You people leave me no time to reply *sob*

Also I totaly agree with Nerian on the raping question.
There are those who may have been involved in such things themselves, what about them? Rape sometimes may fit rp and you may say "But it forces me to change my char!" But there has to be a line somewhere, there have to be boundries for it to be fun for everyone. Just as there are such boundries in RL, we should all be wise enough to see such things.

WickedEwok · Post by **WickedEwok** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:17 pm

Misjbar wrote:
But if you want to play a game where the objective is to level up and kill everything on sight or gain as much skills as possible, then this is not the game for you. This game is strongly recommended for ages 16 and older. This has nothing to do with game content, but rather the maturity required to play the game. Please read the game rules and name rules before you play, so you start the game more easily.
*whistles nearly inaudibly*

Erm

This has nothing to do with game content, but rather the maturity required to play the game.

I guess every player should be able to handle this cause, if he is able to play the game ,)

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:18 pm

Game contect is graphical pictures and such I'd reckon.

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:19 pm

Xalliar wrote: Further, there are some chars who use RP-Sex (I won't say CS, becuase i think that CS and fine-RPed-IG-Sex is something VERY different) to strenghten their char's character and give him a background.

True true, and I am not wishing to combat RP-sex, since I do it myself to.
And there indeed is a large difference.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:22 pm

Neela Rabenfeder wrote:thats funny,
to kill someone is no problem for underaged players,
to rob someone is no problem for underaged players,
to steal is no problem for underaged players,
to torture someone is no problem for underaged players,
...
but some cs is?

thats realy funny

Point is you know about these things at the age of 3. Well I did anyway.

But it's aimed at over 16 year olds anyway as it says (or used to say I dunno) on the main page.

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:22 pm

WickedEwok wrote: I guess every player should be able to handle this cause, if he is able to play the game ,)

This is where alot of things go wrong, you expect to much of people and only take the majority into count, not everyone is easy with sexuality like this, You may be, I may be, the majority may be but what about those who arn't?

And please, think before posting since to me this seems like a hardly thought over reply. Empathize, it's one of the great things roleplayers should be able to do, put themselves in someone else's position.

And to the above post: There are plenty of players who:
A- don't read that
B- don't think of that
C- don't think such things may happen since it's obviously stated because it's not about 'adult content'.

There are those newer to rp who are willing to explore roleplay, but arn't ready for sexual roleplay yet, please people, think some and don't only reply to those things I derectly stated, also think about all those other scenarios that may happen.

Nerian Finera · Post by **Nerian Finera** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:23 pm

Handling a game and handling problems of real life, are two different things

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:26 pm

Greatly said Nerian, RL is bad, and we have to cope with that.
But there are those amoung us who rp to get away from such things.

WickedEwok · Post by **WickedEwok** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:31 pm

There are those newer to rp who are willing to explore roleplay, but arn't ready for sexual roleplay yet, please people, think some and don't only reply to those things I derectly stated, also think about all those other scenarios that may happen.

Yeah, so what could happen?
Those people could also use google and type in 'porn' and get what they were looking for. I don't really get the point, maybe

Nerian Finera · Post by **Nerian Finera** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:33 pm

Porn is for one alone...but interacting with another player, who is also a real person, and not some actor in a movie can really be a problem...for some at least

EDIT: and by the way...not everyone is searching for porn all day

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:39 pm

And I would like to add to Nerians post: What about those who wheren't initialy searching for it? I've stated this a few times now, and I'm sick of repeating myself so please WickedEwok, read a bit thoroughly before writing such replies.

WickedEwok · Post by **WickedEwok** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:44 pm

I've read everything, but I still don't get the point.

You're not forced to do Cybersex, neither in Illarion nor MSN or whatever. And you're responsible for your actions. In fact, as far as I know, in Germany parents should watch the internet-behaviour of their children. Sexual content in this game isn't needed a bit, in my opinion, but I don't care about it.

Nerian Finera · Post by **Nerian Finera** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:46 pm

n fact, as far as I know, in Germany parents should watch the internet-behaviour of their children

at first: only fewest parents do really

for second: in some way you are forced...forced to get along with things, you may have to fight with...

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:48 pm

How can I explain this otherwise then?
You're not forced, but can be easely pursuaded by some, and children may be curious or simply horny, though they should be disallowed such things for their own good at times if they are still to young at that part.
There are way more ways of being forced than you seem to imagine.

Also, not every parent can afford to watch their children all the time.
And some don't think their child does such things.
Sereously man, think about it and you will find a dozen reasons.
Why do you think you find all those 'Watch your children on the net' commercials and stuff? Cause there are those who don't, or can't.
If everyone did that there'd be no need for such commercials.

Shrouded Figures · Post by **Shrouded Figures** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:03 pm

Illarion has been going for quite some time now, and i'm sure CS has been going on in illarion for nearly that long as well. the only difference between now and then is the fact that it's now been given an IG name called prostitution. i'm not sure why every seem to think it's some brand new issue. in earnest i find it quite entertaining that a character has finally been smart enough to ask for a a few coins for it.

seems to me we're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

illarions has always had a caste of easy women. yet no ones complained before about the matter. so why complain now? there really isn't much a difference. it's always been something available to underage players, i see no difference mostly

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:06 pm

Indeed true, but it used to be kept more private, and now coming out and actualy asking for such things is different. They immediatly ask for such things usualy.

Ku 'Agor · Post by **Ku 'Agor** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:14 am

Neela Rabenfeder wrote:to torture someone is no problem for underaged players,

Wrong. It's bad for everyone...

I'm litteraly laughing at this issue. One prosititute character joins the game, the RPG board gets 50 posts about it, the General topic gets 50 posts about it, and all over what people tell me all the time. A Game.

I can go onto google and search 'gaydogsecks' and get images no one should ever want to see. I can type in random bullcrap into the browser and get sex sites, I can watch TV and see girls gone wild ads, and I can go to school and hear endless and mind numbing conversations about "lol she has big boobs i'd do her!!!!!111!1!"

Frankly, if there is a community of people having cybersex, by all means let them. If I don't see "#me moans in pleasure" When I'm walking through trollsbane, I don't give a damn. I say worse things then anything that I can 'overhear' IG. Leave this person alone Kevin. You've probably all embarassed the hell out of her, and you're a minor aswell I believe.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:44 am

I have to say that, I REALLY DON"T CARE. Its a societal taboo, not more. Maybe it will benefit these children by letting them be more open with their sexuality, not necessarily being promiscuous, but being more available emotionally to the people around them instead of feeling wrought with guilt about their carnal desires. I can't see how any "normie" lives turning a blind eye to their own emotions and conforming to the will of those around them. Too much has this ruined people to drinking or drugging to escape their own lives, so IMO, I STILL don't care.