Characters and Continuity

[Juniper Onyx]

Yes, the thread has already reached its apex and decline. I see no more use for it as well, as at this point players are only going to make baseless assumptions about each other.

Baseless???
How about this?

You don't want superpowered characters being used for quests for everyone? Then start making quests. Jesus! If regular players would start making some fucking quests around here, then there wouldn't be a reason to complain anymore, because those pushed characters would not have as useful an application as they do right now.

Umm...they would if they were given the tools to or even wanted to, they have in the past. Just look at the recent Wars we've been having.
Or how about this beauty?

I still can't believe that Sam has just spewed out tons of information from the ESQS just to support his point in a public discussion.

What's wrong with it? If it helps, use it.
And then there's this:

Cain wrote:

God this community complains a lot.

So? Maybe they have reason to complain. Ever think of that?

I think you're the one making baseless assumptions about players and their characters. I asked if you were 'sucking up' because of your insults and vehement support of this illogical practice seemed to indicate that. I'm sorry if it isn't true, but what would one think reading your responses.

And I asked if you were new, simply because of your ignorance of how much 'teaching' does actually occur in the game. Many do help newcomers, without esteem or recognition for their efforts. And it makes me angry that you wouldn't appreciate those efforts.

so to quote you,

Piss off

[Cain Freemont]

I guess your post would mean something to me if I cared. I thought about replying to your post in more detail.. but seeing as how this thread isn't about me at all, its really not the best idea. Kudos to you for making an entire post about one statement I made though!


Oh, one bit won't hurt.


I was referring to skill teaching, not introducing newcomers to the game. A misunderstanding of terminology I'm afraid. There was a time when I helped newcomers. And I do appreciate that people help new players. But as for a wise sage that teaches young apprentices in the arts of -X-, well, I really don't see anyone making that kind of effort.

[Devrah Liioness]

Well why don't we just make ESQS an open board, Garrett, and then everyone can know how the quest turns out and you can all devise your strategies accordingly.

Samantha, shut up. You don't even need a reason to bitch. You're breathing, that's enough. I don't even bother to look at what you're complaining about anymore, because there is no way in the universe to make you happy, unless it was to put Samantha in charge of everything and give you leashes to everyone else's character.

None of you are ever happy. Illarion is the bitchiest group of people I've ever encountered in my life, and I often seriously wonder why the hell I waste my life trying to make it fun. It's not been fun for me in a very long time, because all everyone ever does is bitch OOC and try to prove why their character is the best.

In a completely-removed-from-ESQS, simply making a personal observation way of speaking, 90% of the roleplay I have encountered lately completely sucks and is based off everyone trying to be more uber than character X.

You don't want quests. You want a fucking penis pump.

[Cain Freemont]

You don't want quests. You want a fucking penis pump.

*hides something behind his back* O-of course not!!! >.>

Unfortunately, Devrah, I have to agree with you. I just thank my lucky stars that whenever I play a character I truly enjoy, I don't muddy him up with skills and the like. I may be bitchy, but when I play the game, I make sure I have fun. If I dont have fun, I dont play. I simply hit the escape key, even if its in a crowd of people. (Yeah, sometimes RP situations get THAT stupid lately.)

[Devrah Liioness]

Oh, and this comes per request of Loralyn:

"Samantha, shut up. You yourself are a pushed char, and if you don't stop being a hypocrite, I will personally take away your magic."

[Devrah Windslasher ~]

Devrah, the problem is, those chars weren't doing any quest. Not a bit. There was no quest involved in the happenings. We bitch about the fact that they show their uber skills off without any questpurpose. just because it seems to be fun....for them alone. Without any quest purpose they were provoking and attacking other chars and, if course, pwned them. Showing how great and strong they are.

And also, shocking as it may be, ESQS doesn't rush to send you a memo on every single one of our quest plots. kthxbai.

[Juniper Onyx]

I was referring to skill teaching, not introducing newcomers to the game. A misunderstanding of terminology I'm afraid. There was a time when I helped newcomers. And I do appreciate that people help new players. But as for a wise sage that teaches young apprentices in the arts of -X-, well, I really don't see anyone making that kind of effort.

Umm....beg to differ, but I was talking about skill teaching.

My character Dusty knows 13 crafts (Not well in many, but enough) and is always willing to help someone get started in it. I've lost count of how many newcomers and veterans alike I have helped get started in a craft. I have also seen others help them get started in Carpentry, alchemy or dyeing. He hasn't been considered a 'wise' sage, but is highly regarded IG for it, and maybe someday he will be a 'wise' old sage? Maybe open an academy of the Arts? We'll see?

The problem is that newcomers get a little training, and then whine when the next person doesn't teach them, like it's a right or something when it should be part of Roleplay. You roleplay, people will teach you or not. Just like RL.

As for a 'wise' sage teaching younger ones.....what do you think older characters do when they've 'maxed' out things, have nothing to do but Roleplay, and have been around a while? They teach.
Just because you don't think them 'wise' doesn't mean they aren't. They were 'wise' enough to stick around. I can name a few I consider as 'wise' sages: Lennier, Stephen (No matter what you think of his politics, he teaches combat well), Allen, Jeremy Willowbrook, Maggie, even Samantha Meryledes, just to name a few (Sorry if I forgot anyone).

[Aegohl]

Devrah, the problem is, those chars weren't doing any quest. Not a bit. There was no quest involved in the happenings. We bitch about the fact that they show their uber skills off without any questpurpose. just because it seems to be fun....for them alone. Without any quest purpose they were provoking and attacking other chars and, if course, pwned them. Showing how great and strong they are.

Yup, Samantha. I just put together the divine agents to beat people up. You know so much about me and about the idea behind the divine agents quest.

[Devrah Windslasher ~]

I would like to share with all of you an actual quote from my log, during an attempted quest.

Illarion, these are your roleplayers:

Someone: (( oh mi gosh lets totally pk them i bet they have uber gm stuff! ))
Someone grunts.
Snuggles grunts at the orc
Someone: ((:o Keh))
Shaun grunts too
Someone (( ya lawl)

[Nitram]

first.

stfu @ all

We don't know a flame war here.

You moan about abused quest (pushed) characters? Fine.
You see 4-5 characters that are pushed, abused and useless. Okay. They are around, you are right. This characters are not really good.

But you don't see the good characters. The ESQS Team did many really good quests. And the most of your had fun with it.

All you see, are 5 bad played characters, and you have no eyes on the 10 very good played next to them.

Take a look on your own rp, before moaning about others.

Nitram

[Samantha Meryadeles]

Mitch, you know that i haven't meant that. I know the purpose of the divine agents, and i think it is good. but not everyone DOES it good. I never said you created them just for that. i know you haven't. that is why it is bad WHEN they show such behaviour which is not fitting to the divine agent concept which you planed. Please don't understand me wrong.

And i also don't mean that those chars should be abborted at all. just those which are doing the job not good. Like nitram said, those few who are known. All the others doing a great job, of which we dont even know they are there, shall stay. We just don't agrere with the few who show up and do failures. We don't agree not with questchars at all, just with those doing bad.

[Aegohl]

Allow me to remind that it's five banned characters, as well. The issue has been solved.

[Athian]

i'm not seeing why exactly, people need to be informed beforehand the use and purpose that these characters must have, don't bother trying to figure them out or anything, we'll just hand you the information. i figured someone would bring up Sedian. and i'll say again i'm not going to play a rune handing machine. Grant got what was coming to him for playing a rediculous role which in any sense would have gotten him the same result from a player character. he had no less then 12 oppurtunties. (and yes i have logs) to return to normal roleplay or leave before trouble started. and it's not just Grant either.

Someone (1549029752): (( oh mi gosh lets totally pk them i bet they have uber gm stuff! ))

actual quote from an actual player, where Grant was involved and actually tired of course complained.

Someone (1805976754): ((Uber dodge to..))

now tell me, with this kind of behavior why the smile any of you need to know exactly a characters purpose. i can bring more logs mind you, of yet more stupidity, my favorite one being the "that must be a quest character, so if i play like a dick for an hour i won't get touched." catagories.

in my opinion a character who says this:

Someone: You two lovers?
Someone: I'll show you my little axe
Someone: You both act like a married gay couple.
Someone: Could you escort this gay couple out please?

oh and believe me i can pull up plenty more, NPC's only disrupt roleplay of players who already feel they have the right to lord over other players, or are to busy in there own small worlds to rp anything else. when there's something you can't kill you just stop trying to investigate it and label it an uber pushed NPC. believe me, if there is a problem it certainly isn't one sided, i suggest you all look at your own roleplay before judgeing anyone elses.[/i]

[Retlak]

Make it easier for yourselfs and stop typing.

[Aegohl]

Yes. Please. Next person who replies is on my shit list.

[Quinasa]

Allow me to remind that it's five banned characters, as well. The issue has been solved.

Solution noted. #me does the lockey-lock.