New Learning System

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:55 pm

randomness is NOT what we want. What we want is this type of learning system in which more you do, the closer you get to being better. However it is still too hard.
I definately vote no about getting random levels, regardless of how hard it is to get skill becuase this current system is the one we want.

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:00 pm

I'm with Sam on this one.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:09 pm

Yeah I agree too, I dont want randomness in learning, I mean, if you parry..you learn parry..there is nothing needed to be random in that.
But it just needs to be much much easier.

Negyth · Post by **Negyth** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:43 pm

I think the new learnin' system is much too complicated, too. (sry but i have to write german now, too complicated lol)

Wie wärs damit:

Es gibt eine Chance die je nach "Erfahrungspunkten" steigt. Man kann bis zu 100 Punkte pro Level bekommen. Die Punkte steigern die Chance. Je nach höhe des Skills den man bereits hat, wird es schwerer zu skillen. Das heißt, es gibt praktisch zwei "Chancenskalen", die eine für die höhe des skill, die bei 99% anfängt und die andere die bei 1% beginnt und steigt, je nachdem wie viel man trainiert. ist der skill dann gestiegen fällt die chance durch das training wieder auf eins und die bei der höhe des skill um 0.2 prozent oder so. Wär das nich besser? (ich hoffe es is auch verständlich was ich meine lol).

Um die Vielseitigkeit zu vergrößern könnte man nebenbei noch eine art punktesystem für die prozentzahlen des trainingseinführen. Beim kampf könnte das in etwa so aussehen:

Schwein: 2 Prozentpunkt / Schlag
Mumie: 5 Prozentpunkte / Schlag usw.

Je nach bereits erreichtem skill könnte man dann wieder etwas von den Prozenten abziehen:

Prozentchance durch Skill:

99% (Level 0) ~ -0,0 %
98% (Level 5) ~ -0,5 %
97% (Level 10) ~ -1,0 % usw.

Bekämpft also ein Charakter, dessen Hiebwaffenskill auf Level 5 ist (Chance entspricht dann noch 98%) ein Schwein mit einem Schwert, steigt die Chance auf einen Level-Up nur noch um 1,5 Punkte pro Schlag (Schwein minus Prozentchance -> 2 - 0,5 = 1,5.)

Der Charakter müsste dann insgesamt mindestens 67 mal ein Schwein treffen, bis er 100%ig einmal auflevelt. (Beispiel an einer Mumie:
Mumie minus Prozentchance -> 5 - 0,5 = 4,5. D.h. Ein Charakter in Level 5 müsste eine Mumie 23 mal treffen, damit er sicher auflevelt.)

Ich weiß nicht, in wie fern das programmiertechnisch umsetzbar is, aber so fänd ichs gut lol

Miklorius · Post by **Miklorius** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:36 pm

Äh, ist das mit der ansteigenden internen Wahrscheinlichkeit eines (sichtbaren) Levelantiegs nicht schon so im aktuellen System...?

Negyth · Post by **Negyth** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:49 pm

kein plan

Cassandra Fjurin · Post by **Cassandra Fjurin** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:31 am

jepp im grunde hat negyth das aktuelle skillsystem erläutert, es funktioniert ein klein wenig anders aber im grunde ist es das

Negyth · Post by **Negyth** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:54 am

naja aber dann sind bei euch die punkte wesentlich fieser verteilt. sonst würde mein neuer char wesentlich schneller lernen. ich hab jetzt in einer woche mumienmetzeln einmal gelevelt.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:02 am

The learning system also affect english peoples btw.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:18 am

It also effects german players as well. They might be able to elaborate better. More than half this discussion was in english, a bit of german won't hurt.

Jon Childs · Post by **Jon Childs** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:22 am

Arameh_ wrote:The learning system also affect english peoples btw.

What about french?

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:26 am

Yes! I can give my opinion in french!

If most posts are in english its because everyone here can read english, but not everyone can read german. If this was not important..ok, but if it was it could be helpful if everyone could read it.

Negyth · Post by **Negyth** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:28 am

we just had a discussion bout that, because there are german players who cant read english and there wasn't any translation of the (very difficult) text from Cassandra.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:40 am

Can we get a resume of your big post then?

Brendill Al'Ad Kàzár · Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:44 am

Negyth had make a suggestion for the new skill system, but cassandra said that his suggestion is already realized! what negyth has said was the inofficial explanation for the skill system... so not realy helpful!

Sorry Neg...

Jalen Noel · Post by **Jalen Noel** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:40 am

I noticed that someone referenced "Morrowind" in a previous post, and I think that game is a great model for skill-gain. The less experienced you are, the easier it is to gain skills. The difficulty increases with every level (crude example: 10 successful attempts at lvl 1 gets you a level-up... 50 sucessful attempts at level 10 gets you a level-up). There's no randomness to that system, and it makes all the sense in the world. Maybe that's the basic format of what's currently in place, but it doesn't seem to be working that way. I'm at the bottom-level of skills like mining and tailoring, but I never gain any levels despite repeated efforts in both.

Mark Strongarm · Post by **Mark Strongarm** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:50 am

I'm finding it A BIT better today, I gained twice with alot of playing, think one was parry and one was slashing. I'm a pretty good slasher and it seems I have to put to much into increasing the level. I too like this idea of a system where it gets harder as you go, but at this rate it seems I am not moving ahead enough for the amount of work I'm doing. Today I found that my character was able to concentrate better, not sure if something was fixed there. For over a week I could attack maybe 4 or 5 mummies and then I was 'unable to concentrate on learning' and mummies are a cinch! It didn't matter how much rest ofline I had.. anyhow it is working much better today. This ended up being long sorry, in a nutshell.. too long to gain levels.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:10 pm

The thing is, its already like that, its harder when youre better, with this current system Arameh as example woulnt gain any skills up in 150 bandits...just so you know. I dont know what we are waiting to change it..

Gabon Corad · Post by **Gabon Corad** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:48 pm

in the randomness section i can see how it would work...for the example Ara gave "if you parry you learn parry there no randomness" but there is randomness. When someone would parry their blade wouldnt go in the same place over and over, there are different blade positions and different ways to block certain swings giving the blocker a better angle at the opponent. I really dont like the randomness but i do see how it can fall into play

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:03 pm

Just played a few days ago, waaay to freakin' hard.

I barely have the time and patience to train Delanroth the way I did, so what's my motivation for doing it 10 times longer? And if my character sucks at everything, what's my motivation for playing? Sheesh.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:05 pm

Yeah agree, making it harder will only make peoples stop training, or powergame all the time instead of RPing, because its MUCH too hard.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:11 pm

Should've been here back in the good ol' days, when one could master something in a day if they powergamed the hell out of their character. Then Serpardum made it 10x longer gain, and some people had trouble with it. But now, 10x than 10x? Slap my ass in public why don't you.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:01 pm

Bloodhearte wrote: Slap my ass in public why don't you.

thats why i love marines!

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:23 pm

Monotony is not a good thing. Players do not want to sit there for hours to gain a point of skill.

Don't turn this into a generic Korean online game please.

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:49 pm

Don't worry Donal, it's European.

krazytoe · Post by **krazytoe** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:20 pm

i am having fun annoying people with Cyndil's sucky sewing-she just can't seem to get the hang of it

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:43 am

Dónal Mason wrote:Monotony is not a good thing. Players do not want to sit there for hours to gain a point of skill.

Don't turn this into a generic Korean online game please.

Bwhahaha, those silly silly Koreans...

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:59 am

Serously...
I killed 15 pigs and had 5 swirlys...
It reaaly is to hard >.<
I think someone got sick of all the whining...

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:00 am

I got 4 swirls doing my magic. O.o

Thariel Feuersturm · Post by **Thariel Feuersturm** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:00 am

lol. i have mentioned on IRC yet. perhaps is it now easier for a while to push us a time because of the last week...