Evil mage characters

NirAntae · Post by **NirAntae** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:47 pm

I know that the original teacher of 'evil' character mages has quit playing.

Thus, my question is: has there been or will there be a replacement chosen?

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:12 pm

Sure hope so.

Meriel Pelith · Post by **Meriel Pelith** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:31 pm

I've asked for that already weeks ago and I guess they are searching for one. But if no one of the GMs (or similar) volunteers we will have no luck...

We generally don't have enough mage teachers. But the next one, that shows up, should be one for the 'villains'. My char is kinda stuck since William isn't around anymore, and so is Silas.

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:36 pm

William Elderberry is stil playing...
And yeah we need an evil mage teacher...
But i don't think any of the evil RPers right now have the background to be a mage...

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:52 pm

I have one.

NirAntae · Post by **NirAntae** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:52 pm

I'm sure there are plenty of 'normal' players who would be happy to volunteer and create an appropriate char, if there's anyone the GMs would trust with the task (since I know they probably all have their plates fairly full as it is.)

But I do hope it happens. Some characters are simply not built to be the kind of person the current mage teachers would teach, but would make marvelous mage-villains. And, anyway, the handful of current mage teachers are fairly overloaded to begin with.

Ullyatth Leader · Post by **Ullyatth Leader** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:38 pm

NirAntae wrote:I'm sure there are plenty of 'normal' players who would be happy to volunteer and create an appropriate char, if there's anyone the GMs would trust with the task (since I know they probably all have their plates fairly full as it is.)

But I do hope it happens. Some characters are simply not built to be the kind of person the current mage teachers would teach, but would make marvelous mage-villains. And, anyway, the handful of current mage teachers are fairly overloaded to begin with.

I'm still trying to find a way Aokan can teach Will necromancy. He doesn't know ancient so it's a bit annoying.

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:46 pm

There are evil people that can teach you ancient. Then again, you gave them skeletons. Skeletons =/= Will gets taught ancient.

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:14 pm

I don't think Aokan should be able to teach. Especially not if he realy plans to teach William Elderberry magic. They are just no good characters for mages. And Aokan plays a bad "evil" mage. His "Robert" is a joke, and the peoples are laughing about him and make jokes.

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:19 pm

I think he is a good "evil" mage. Do not decide for me please Samantha. I think at times Samantha is a bad "good" mage. I am not holding that against you either am I?
People make jokes about you as well, and laugh about you. Just so you know.

Jon Childs · Post by **Jon Childs** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:21 pm

Your not supposed to tell!

Anyway....Can a mage be tought "good" magic but then become evil using thta magic?

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:25 pm

There is no good and evil magic hun.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:30 pm

I would consider necromancy uh. It shoulnt be teached to "good" mages.

Ullyatth Leader · Post by **Ullyatth Leader** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:04 pm

Arameh_ wrote:I would consider necromancy uh. It shoulnt be teached to "good" mages.

Necromancy's only bad if you make it bad. It's regarded as bad because evil characters use it to kill, but it could be used to train or defend. It's quite a handy art actually. Likewise, healing can be evil, it can be used to heal someone or something evil.

Jon Childs · Post by **Jon Childs** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:05 pm

Misjbar wrote:There is no good and evil magic hun.

Necromancy..Evil isnt it?

But then whats wrong with making a chair come to life?

Ullyatth Leader · Post by **Ullyatth Leader** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:08 pm

Jon Childs wrote:
Misjbar wrote:There is no good and evil magic hun.
Necromancy..Evil isnt it?

But then whats wrong with making a chair come to life?

Nothing. It could be handy if you could make the chair walk to you. Say you were stuck in a tree and it was a long jump...

Nalzaxx · Post by **Nalzaxx** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:19 pm

Magic is a non sentient force, it cannot be inherently "good" or "evil" only the relevant use of it is "good" or "evil" but then again those very terms are defined by the society we live in.

For example using necromancy to transfer the lifeforce of yourself into a loved one so that they may live would not be considered "evil" yet they are still using necromancy. Likewise casting a fireball on a demon is "good" but casting a fireball on an innocent child is "evil" They're still the same fireball, its just their use by the practitioner that makes that particular deed defined as such.

However back on topic.

There are a number of different strategies being looked at to replace the loss of William Zaron. Believe me, we are not unaware of the need for an evil teacher. As with all things, you'll just have to be patient untill we work out and implement a viable solution.

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:22 pm

Actualy there is a little evil guild right now wich has some members fit to be a mage.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:22 pm

Samantha Meryadeles wrote:I don't think Aokan should be able to teach. Especially not if he realy plans to teach William Elderberry magic. They are just no good characters for mages. And Aokan plays a bad "evil" mage. His "Robert" is a joke, and the peoples are laughing about him and make jokes.

Thank you Samantha. While your out playing God to decide who has Good and Bad RP, maybe you could take a moment to think this over.
First off, Aokan only has two spells. Second, he still cannot teach and to gain skill I only cast to attack the town and very few other circumstances. He also is here to do more than just teach. Infact, I wouldn't even consider him much of a mage. If and when I DO teach, it will be to few and it will be only a the two spells I have.

A joke? Did you ever play with Aokan before this happened? Why would he change once he was ressurected? Just because I don't play to some invisible standard you set, doesn't mean it is bad roleplay. A character that is laughed about and generally "teased", doesn't make him a bad character. Maybe we should keep Gildon's topic, so we do not steal topics. Infact, it may become your home as you always tend to put down other plays for their "bad rp".

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:31 pm

As i saw the interaction with Aokan, it seems he didn't have alot of choise with the little girlsie chasingsie himsie callingsie himsie Aokensie.
And everyone laughing at him in general.
He's a demon, sheesj.
And he cant afford to attack cause of all the 'heroes' going to chase him.

Thats the way i see it...

Nalzaxx · Post by **Nalzaxx** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:41 pm

Indeed.

People moan about evil characters being pushed. But they just get mistreated if they cannot defend themselves.

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:41 pm

Maybe you should see the difference of saying "bad mage" and "bad roleplayer". one i said, the other one not *rolls eyes*

Nalzaxx · Post by **Nalzaxx** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:43 pm

Samantha Meryadeles wrote: And Aokan plays a bad "evil" mage.

One bad, one evil, thus suggesting both a dark alignment AND a poor quality of RP.

This generally, is how the english language works.

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:44 pm

Aoken is a great rper and a good necromancer ^^.

By opinions on Samantha i will not say because they are biased due to Retlak being teleported across the entire map a couple of times in the past.

Negyth · Post by **Negyth** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:46 pm

i have one, too

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:48 pm

By opinions on Samantha i will not say because they are biased due to Retlak being teleported across the entire map a couple of times in the past.

He earned it

And Aokan gets mistreated because he plays a demon named Robert that cries around because he is not allowed to live in trollsbane <_< and who holded nice chats with others infront of the town where he offered them cake.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:49 pm

Samantha Meryadeles wrote:Maybe you should see the difference of saying "bad mage" and "bad roleplayer". one i said, the other one not *rolls eyes*

Since I am perceived as a mage and stated that I played a bad one, then with aokan I am a bad RPer. That is how I came upon.

I never offered cake, and I talk to let a situation arise. People complain about "boosted or pushed" chars showing off their stuff. Now, I try and use it seldomly and people get angry!?

Meriel Pelith · Post by **Meriel Pelith** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:50 pm

As much as I adore Misjilah, but I don't think she would be fitting for that role. She is extremly arrogant and not neutral enough.

Do you think Misjilah would teach Meriel magic (not considering that she owes her something.) and secondly, I don't think Meriel would want to learn from Misjilah.
William Zaron was just perfect, because he was quite neutral and not too involved with anything.

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:50 pm

I also wrote "evil". That belongs to it. Or do you would say aokan is a well played evil mage?

Devrah Windslasher ~ · Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:51 pm

Well no one can RP themselves around Samantha because they'd have to hear all over the forums afterward how they are bad RPers because they didn't bow down to Her Mighty Mageness.

I, for one, completely avoid RP with any of the characters played by PO Samantha if I can help it, because I'm tired of being told how my character has to play to them.