If one player pays another to hit to improve a fighting skill etc, is this powergaming. What are the SPECIFIC rules etc on this?
((Edit : deleted poll, too complicated a thing to vote on))
Is it training, or powergaming?
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Is it training, or powergaming?
Last edited by Hermie on Mon Nov 04, 2002 8:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
There are a number of old threads (english and german) with the same topic. Maybe they are usefull to get an answer for your question.
http://www.illarion.org/community/forum ... .php?t=807
http://www.illarion.org/community/forum ... .php?t=805
http://www.illarion.org/community/forum ... .php?t=646
Maybe there are more threads about it. But there is an good search option too. Maybe you will look by your self...
http://www.illarion.org/community/forum ... .php?t=807
http://www.illarion.org/community/forum ... .php?t=805
http://www.illarion.org/community/forum ... .php?t=646
Maybe there are more threads about it. But there is an good search option too. Maybe you will look by your self...
Specific rules. Well, there is one rule that says to do something over and over with the sole purpose of raising your ability is considered powergaming.
So, is training powergaming? As Cosmaterra said in one of the threads, if you are using swords, it wouldn't be powergaming, if you are using a needle, it is.
Why would this be? The sole purpose of training with needles is to raise someone's parry. You want to raise your puncture, go attack monsters with a needle.
It is a fine line, is this powergaming or not? Are you a warrior? Or do you just want to train to get uber stats?
What, exactly, is your RP reason for standing around and letting someone else hack at you with a sword?
Personally, unless someone needs to train to be able to defend themselves against others, or someone is a true warrior trying to be able to kill monsters he can't without training, or are you tryign to see if you can get through someones defense, I would consider it powergaming just because there is no RP reason for it.
I think length of training also plays a big role.
If we were all truely RPers, it would never be a question, as no one would train without an rp reason.
So, is training powergaming? As Cosmaterra said in one of the threads, if you are using swords, it wouldn't be powergaming, if you are using a needle, it is.
Why would this be? The sole purpose of training with needles is to raise someone's parry. You want to raise your puncture, go attack monsters with a needle.
It is a fine line, is this powergaming or not? Are you a warrior? Or do you just want to train to get uber stats?
What, exactly, is your RP reason for standing around and letting someone else hack at you with a sword?
Personally, unless someone needs to train to be able to defend themselves against others, or someone is a true warrior trying to be able to kill monsters he can't without training, or are you tryign to see if you can get through someones defense, I would consider it powergaming just because there is no RP reason for it.
I think length of training also plays a big role.
If we were all truely RPers, it would never be a question, as no one would train without an rp reason.
I guess, there is a RP reason for training.
It is stupid to go out trying to kill a demon, dragon, whatever, if you can't fight! The diffence between Illarion and other RPGs is, that in Illarion, you start as a classless loser.
In other RPGs you can choose to be a knight or mage etc. and have some points to spend on skills. In Illarion you have nothing! So you have to train.
It's possible to start with killing flies, but i think it's even ok if a classless character sais: "Hey you, show me how to use a sword!"
It is stupid to go out trying to kill a demon, dragon, whatever, if you can't fight! The diffence between Illarion and other RPGs is, that in Illarion, you start as a classless loser.
In other RPGs you can choose to be a knight or mage etc. and have some points to spend on skills. In Illarion you have nothing! So you have to train.
It's possible to start with killing flies, but i think it's even ok if a classless character sais: "Hey you, show me how to use a sword!"
So . . .
'Training' someone else's say, slashing, would be okay if they used a sword and the reason was to make them into a better warrior for a band of hunters ... same with concussion except with a war hammer and the same reason.
If you were training parry using fists would be okay, it would be practising martial arts.
'Training' someone else's say, slashing, would be okay if they used a sword and the reason was to make them into a better warrior for a band of hunters ... same with concussion except with a war hammer and the same reason.
If you were training parry using fists would be okay, it would be practising martial arts.
@ElMahok: The difference between Illarion and other rpg games is that fighting isn't the point of Illarion, so you don't HAVE to train.
@Hermie: Trying to hit someone with your fists to get better at punching is a valid roleplay reason. Letting someone punch you in the face while you continuously drink potions or heal yourself for the sake of training the skill of parry is NOT valid roleplay and is considered powergaming.
@Hermie: Trying to hit someone with your fists to get better at punching is a valid roleplay reason. Letting someone punch you in the face while you continuously drink potions or heal yourself for the sake of training the skill of parry is NOT valid roleplay and is considered powergaming.
So if two people were boxing it would be okay, and they heal each other between rounds so no one gets K.O.'d (dies)?
And if you were training parry for martial arts, you wouldnt let someone hit you in the face, you would try and block them, no-one can get better at dodging by being punched in the face . . .
And if you were training parry for martial arts, you wouldnt let someone hit you in the face, you would try and block them, no-one can get better at dodging by being punched in the face . . .