Arrows are too expensive

Moirear Sian · Post by **Moirear Sian** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:18 pm

Yes, that "let's go shopping"-notion is something I strongly dislike too.

I'm not sure about it being stocked by NPCs, but thread being more available would generally be the way to go. I personally like your suggestion about the beeswax, and there would probably be even more possibilities to implement alternative ways to win thread, like from plants.

on the RE: Or the other way around, they began as tailors, and became fighters out of necessity because people would neither sell the insides off to reasonable prices nor would people assist them or get them for them for free. I saw some people going that way in the last client especially, when mummies were just outside of Troll's Bane...

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:48 pm

Hadrian_Abela wrote:I think respecting nature and the balance means not killing anything at all... [my elven character is a vegetarian]... why sand??? [LOL] what about

Bread
Apples
Elven Wine
Cherries
ect...

Caught in your own web, elves know plants are living things. KILLAR! Also, your elf would suffer many diseases from the lack of protein. Anemia, caused by lack of vB12, iron, folic acid. Also, he could just die, get cataracts (cloudy eye lens inhibiting vision),protein is essential to a diet. The sand thing is a joke neon made IG with me when we were talking about killing living things and elves. He said "I guess they eat sand." during the conversation. I might bother to dig through my log but I have over 9.7mb of simple text to look through though.
Essential knowlage about protein: http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T044400.asp

Oh yeah, I made a topic about thread, just right down at the bottom of the page. It is already worked on.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:59 am

I am sure elves know herbs or other meals which gives them what they miss through vegetarian life

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:08 pm

Galim wrote:I am sure elves know herbs or other meals which gives them what they miss through vegetarian life

Not iron, this is why they are all so pale, fatigued, and have many headaches. Iron from animals is much easier to digest than iron from plants, and eating much fiber accually decreases this small amount from foods found in Illarion. I am trying to defeat this misconception elves kill nothing, because they eat meat all the time, as evident by their excelent hunting skills. You can play a vegetarian, but don't do it because you don't want to kill anything, because elves know they need meat, so roleplay your deficiencies please.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:58 pm

If you must know... an apple is ment to be eaten;; it contains seeds which need to be dispersed by being eaten...

RE: Iron... LOL elves look albino

RE: dying... what? a dying elf?? if they live for 1000+ years on that diet i dont think it can be too bad for you

RE: where they get nutrients from... a fraction of the herbs in the game dont exist in real life, how do you know their nutrional value??

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:35 pm

Returning to the topic... [if you wish, open a new thread and we could discuss the eating habits of elves...]

Arrows are expensive from people... due to thread requirments and from ELiza... 5 coins each... and arrows are used up quickly...

Solution--> IMHO.. a new type of arrow should be designed, without thread requirments, or it is made cheaper by eliza... however as to be fair on those who bought the expensive arrows ; the new ones should be given a new name... So you have Arrows [5cc] and CheapArrows [1cc 4 example]...

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:42 pm

Just increase the number of arrows created each time.
Arrows are the only thing which will always stay a bulk item unless they get a serious increase in damage. Forcing a fletcher to make them one by one isn't helpful. There's this nice expression often used for this kind of habit. "clicking orgy". And this is what the staff usually wants to avoid. I'm sure this will be changed.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:18 pm

I hope they do something soon... as most of the archers have an acute lack of the arrows... and for newbies, who miss most commonly... they cant afford it... or have to go really close to the target itself...[which is stupid.... why use a bow that way]

I suggest no thread for arrows.... doesn't make much sense... and y does making shoes, or making an arrow use the same amount of thread????

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:21 pm

Because shoes do not need much thread? I mean, I can make a shoe, of one large piece of leather, and a single string of about 10 cm. Can't you?

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:30 pm

You understood it the wrong way...

Shoes would need MORE thread than arrows.... i would expect

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:07 pm

No, not really. For arrows, thread is tied. For shoes, it is stitched. Tying means you use quite a lot of thread.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:12 pm

Why they use thread is beyond me... i would think ROPE is much better.... rope is sometimes made from plants..... or the wood would have a slit in it, and the head inserted

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:30 pm

The word 'rope' is generally used to refer to something quite...thick. Thread is better than rope for tying small things.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:33 pm

Thread is that little thin thingy which is used to stich clothes and make fishing lines...

I wouldn't immagine launching arrows from it.......or tying them for that mater

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:35 pm

Launching...arrows...no. What the...you just broke my brain.

You don't 'launch' arrows from thread. Thread is not used to make bows. Arrows are not launched from thread. If you are going to tie something to an arrow, a thread is much better than rope. For one thing, rope is MUCH too heavy.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:39 pm

Thread is also used for bows.....

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:41 pm

Well frankly, it should either be quite a lot of thread, or something completely different. Thread does not make for good arrows, at least not the kind used in tailoring.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:44 pm

Thread is not used in make real arrows at all, glue is used on attaching the feathers and heads.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 12:54 pm

Wrong. The last weekend i was able to have a good talk to the current european master in archery, and he explained me how he make his bows and arrows. thread IS used to make the arrows, believe me. Its also used to make the strings of bows.

The real good and expensive arrows have thread to hold the feathers at the arrow, and not glue. that are the cheap ones.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:54 pm

RE: glue... i dont think anyone fancies hunting around for the donf plant to make glue...

RE: feathers... we dont have any-ingame ... good idea though

RE: string... you get it from insides... what are insides? intestines??? there are 5m of them in a human... how much string do you need? 5m????

Thalodos Artemetus · Post by **Thalodos Artemetus** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:54 pm

Is it me or are none of you quite getting the point? This is a game, it doesn't have to be totally realistic, just practical and not annoying.

Rant over

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:55 pm

Its not practical..... thread is too rare... and arrows are used too quickly

Thalodos Artemetus · Post by **Thalodos Artemetus** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:53 pm

Yes, lol. That's my point.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:54 pm

Possibly an easy way to get insides.

Sheep inards were commonly used to make violin strings.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:30 pm

[[ i just know that this is going to start another argument]]

Elves wont kill sheep... and elves are the best bowmen...

And would you really wear clothes held together by animal remains? or mummy's for that matter

Thalodos Artemetus · Post by **Thalodos Artemetus** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:41 pm

I say, if arrows require some form of string how about spun wool? that would be much more convinient.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:59 pm

Hide glue guys, from boiling raw leather I suppose. Galim I know you can, but you would not mass produce basic arrows this way. These high quality arrows are used for precise hunting, not for volleying at the enemy. Ok, master carpenters could make powerful "hunting arrows" then with thread.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:17 am

And would you really wear clothes held together by animal remains? or mummy's for that matter

You understand that is how many strings were made...especially durable and strong ones. Bow strings need to have a certain strength to them.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:34 am

And would you really wear clothes held together by animal remains? or mummy's for that matter

that is something that amuse me since a long time now, hehe. everyone ingame runs around with clothes hold together by HUMAN insides. thats not better than tailoring clothes out of human skin

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Complaining about orcs who wear the skulls of strong defeated enemys, but running around with clothes containing human insides, muhahaha.

And please, is there now a solution that will come in the future? Perhaps a GM may tell us? Ot do you want let it be like it is?

Aragon · Post by **Aragon** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:37 am

Solutions are yet discussed. maybe one of these will be implemented, when the scripters have time for it.