Skills

[Konstantin K]

What Aegohl pisses me off with is this:

1. Acting like a big daddy to us all.
2. Obviously trying to raise player's hatred towards me my portraying me as a snitch. "But her reported you! How can you still like him?!"
They still like me, this must be making Aegohl furious...

I said it before and I say it again: I gave Aegohl a list of names of characters who beat me in a duel, and here they are again:
Stephan, Gregar, Georgius, and we go neck to neck with Pendar.

@Keikan: You lost 50 coppers. This time I was legit. Kenneth is my fresh start, but the GMs assumed based on my past reputation, that I was breaking the rules too. While I was simply killing a lot of trolls and ogres.
I was punished on the basis of personal prejudice.

I admit to past use of macros, and copies of my own character.

My first skills as a fighter in year 2004 I gained legitimately like an idiot, spending 4 months to skill up. After that my skills were wiped out by Keikan for training with Aristeaus in the spirit world during a quest, which was "Oh so entertaining", since we had to sit for 6 hours in a 10 by 10 tile jail zone without any ability to escape or do anything. Arist's skills dropped too.

After this, I started my career as a Powergamer, refusing to agree to such unfair punishments. I pretty much understood how GMs work here, and new I am already their enemy.
6 skill reductions total, and 7 bans. But after each skill reduction, I sky rocketed my skills back up in mere weeks. I has copies of my character made, which I used to back his skills up. It was my personal rebellion.
But the Gamemasters started it.

Actually Keikan holds an older grudge against me: for killing Adano Eles with a crossbow, from behind the tower, which was a glitch in the first place, when I tried to jump between the people. He never believed me, and I became his mortal nemesis forever.

I PMed Adano Eles with my apologies, and he said it's no big deal. But The Gamemaster never forgave me.

Since then I started seeking out bugs, which I am generally pretty good at.

I quit Illarion for 7 months as you all know, and now with the new client, decided to have a fresh start, a new character, a fighter, a mercenary on the town's side.

This new client... it has many bugs, tempting to use, but I report them carefully, trying to be a good guy.

Still. I train. train a lot. Most of you are killing flies, pigs, and sheep, trying to play it safe. No wonder you dont gain skill.

Me, from base one, from level 0 in all skills - I went straight for trolls. I bet Aegohl will shit his pants with anger if he sees me now, with erased skills - still taking on a troll with ease.
My skills grew faster than everyone elses, and then...

Some "unknown" GM makes an observation, that "Konstantin is hacking monsters too easily.... hmmm... suspicious."

3 GameMasters contributed to a decision to punish me for a faster skill gain. They did notcare that perhaps I am tryingto score some shields and maces to sell to Eliza, because I need money for a new sword and gear, they did not care that another character had INTERACTED with me and hired me to escort them to mummy cave (instead of doing it themselves on their fighter char), and I was training for the mission.

3 Gamemasters - just looked at my shade of skill.

2 of them are Japheth and Aegohl. The third one - they keep hiding from me, and THAT pisses me off.

Will the third GM who made this decision, please step out? Thank you.




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attached are my PMs with Aegohl:


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Hi.

Asking nicely and politely.
Was there a reason why my character lost all his parry, concussion, and slashing weapon skills when he was equal with everyone else in his development?

Thank you.
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Konstantin,

The reason would be: because he was well beyond equal with everyone else.

Aegohl
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He was equal to characters: Georgius, Pendar, Gregar (orc), Stephan Rothman. All those people beat me in combat with ease.

Either return my skill to where you took it, or cut down these characters. We trained together and at the same places.
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Konstantin,

I would believe that, if it weren't for the fact that I have the numbers in front of me. Are you implying that I can't count?

Aegohl
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Why were my skills not temporarily frozen, until everyone "catches up", why were they dropped to below everyone's level?

This is unfair. It's not my fault that not all people train combat.

How many other fighters did you check? Do you go around and peek at everyone's skills? I am trying to start a new character's career here. I have an impression that some gamemaster is trying to get on my ass for the sake of old times.

Before I make this public, I'd like to say that maybe next time I should create an anonymous account so that nobody knows it's me. And I bet you will never even bother to look. Will that shake you off my ass?

My skills were cut to level 57. That is too low. Fighters I listed are into the 100 range. Set my skills to that.
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For the record, I didn't bother to check. One of us, and not me, witnessed you ingame going away at monsters like going away at monsters was going out of style. He said something of the likes "something should be done about this" and tiring of that "something should be done about this" attitude I see so often on the GM boards, I dropped them.

Sure. Go ahead and make another account. But keep these words in mind:

People who do that have a habit of messing it up and talking at the wrong times. Don't do that. Don't talk at all about who you were. Otherwise, when you get caught again, you can just say it's only because it was you, yet again, and we don't solve anything.

Aegohl
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I'm on my way to IRC; if you feel that emotional about it, join me.

Aegohl
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Let's see your explanations now, Aegohl.

My main questions remain unanswered:

On my character Kenny (not on Karmane, but on Kenneth):

1. What rule did I break
2. Where, when, how, with what monster did I PowerGame?
3. What forbidden technique I used?
4. Who is a witness of that?
5. Where are any sorts of proof, except for the final result of my legitimate training - high skill.
6. What is a definition of powergaming, and where is proof that I did it?
7. If I was noticed powergaming, why did a GM not appear in front of me, and did not point a finger - "Here, you're doing a bad thing. Don't do this. Stop".
8. Why was I not given a warning? Why were my skills, just silently, cowardly, sneakily cut?



Thank you.

[Cliu Beothach]

If you could pg your roleplay skill, I may start to like you. I do not care if you pg any other skill either.

[Japheth]

1. Powergaming, which is, admittedly, currently being defined. Insulting the player behind the screen. Use of macros (in the past).

2. I saw you cutting through Trolls with ease, while most other players were still struggling with mummies. I though this suspicious, I made a comment on the boards, it was looked into.

3. Nobody said you used a forbidden technique.

4. Nobody.

5. Numbers in the GM admin tool. Evidence of you hacking away. Past experience?

6. Currently being worked on, but under the previous definition, you broke the rules, as deemed by several gamemasters.

7. This has been done to you in the past. You didn't take heed.

8. Several prior warnings, one from me.

No, thank you.
I've answered your questions during mIRC before. I would have thought that you were satisified by now. Believe me, I don't want to be spending all of my Illarion time fretting over the activities of Konstantin K, but somebody has to do it.

[Cliu Beothach]

6 skill reductions total, and 7 bans.

It seems like you have already gotten a second chance, and then some. I would not look for another. Scrutiny is implied.

[Fooser]

I don't think the PG standards matter, even under the most loose PG guidelines, he is still skill based, having little other motivation at all, and has done it over and over again it appears.

[Cliu Beothach]

I agree, that is what I have been saying too fooser.

[Moirear Sian]

Obviously, you people who slander K's abilities to roleplay have never roleplayed with his other characters.

I do reckon for example a certain character of his that garnered outstanding compliments from some fellow SVST folks. And then I informed them in a discussion that took place off the game that it had been K playing the character, and their reaction was more or less:

"Oh."

Nothing more. Not a single second of reasoning, rather a dumb-founded moment of silence filled with an interjection intermingled with pure surprise; not a moment of doubt as if their thoughts formed something like: "hmm, perhaps I've been slandering the player because of issues in the past and image I have of him." No, just:

"Oh."

So don't you tell me Konstantin is only interested in skilling up, that would namely be an undeliberate lie based on false assumptions. He has successfully played at least two characters that were playable without any "skill" (as in, "skill manifested within the client as a value given in color shades") which I've witnessed in game, and those held rather sound roleplaying. My guess hereby is that most of you people would not even notice it's the same player.

Sorry if I'm interrupting the discussion, just thought I'd add that in response to some comments here.

[Cliu Beothach]

I do not care about his skill pging contreversy. I just think that his RP is sub-par and he is too cocky. If he would disprove me by listing these characters, maybe he could change my mind. It doesn't matter if you do not use skills, RP comes into question too.

[Moirear Sian]

I do not care about his skill pging contreversy. I just think that his RP is sub-par and he is too cocky. If he would disprove me by listing these characters, maybe he could change my mind. It doesn't matter if you do not use skills, RP comes into question too.

This statement is a contradiction in itself, I hope you're aware of that.

First, you say you don't care about his "skill pging controversy".

Then you say you think his RP is sub-par and he (the player) is too cocky. (I'd like to remind you that insulting the player behind the screen is a breach of the rules, regardless of whether he's done so himself.)

Then finally, you demand that RP comes into question too. Into question about what? About judging his "skill pging controversy"? That last post of yours is quite a paradox if you ask me.

Personally, I could care less about this "skill pging controversy". I just thought that I'd mention that I am convinced that his ability to roleplay is just as good as someone who slanders his rping abilities sub-par; if not maybe even better; but who am I to judge? The other reason I made this statement is because this is an issue between the GMs and him, and the angry mob that jumps in and cries for a witch to be burnt at the stake appears quite inappropriate in these matters.

[Cliu Beothach]

No, aside from the skill pging, I do not care for his RP. I mean, shoving all this "PGER" aside, that is how I feel about him.

If I am too be banned, then so is he and many others who have stepped even FURTHER over the boundaries.

[Talaena Landessi]

I have rp'ed with him many times in depth and i think he can rp wonderfull, but people find out he is the 'po karmane' then every one tripps off of him

[Cliu Beothach]

I have rped indepth too. I do not like the little "advantages" he adds to his character. Even some just for visual effects made to make himself seem "special" or "chosen".

[Fooser]

Obviously, you people who slander K's abilities to roleplay have never roleplayed with his other characters.

I don't know his other characters, but I don't believe someone is RP motivated when admitting to some of the things cited in this topic.

[Moirear Sian]

But Cliu, weren't you PGing with a certain lizard character?
And Fooser, weren't you notorious for torching people down with spells in the town shop on a whim (PKing, last time I checked)?

Keep in mind these two questions are rather rhetoric, but at the same time, they imply that I don't know because I did not witness them myself. And in conclusion to this little taste of your own medicine, and mind you, not that is any point of discussion on the topic, I'd just like to point out that you're pounding on a single side of a coin and neglecting the flipside. As well as you somehow fail to realize that I'm not even vouching for K, only saying that his playing was RP-motivated, and that this is not even up for discussion—as well as your beliefs and feelings do not change my perception of his abilities ro roleplay—considering that the GMs have already carried out certain punishments and reserve the right to follow up with more for the actual transgressions here.

I mean, not that this post would be on-topic, but I thank you each and both for proving my point of the prejudiced and angry mob crying for the stake's wood to finally be set on fire to kill the evil, very evil witch.

[Cliu Beothach]

Yes, I did for about a week. I wasn't too proud of it. I stopped and wouldn't do it again. As I said though, the Powergaming doesn't erk me. I do not mind lossing fights.

[Fooser]

Say what you want, Fooser was a pathetic mage, his fire couldn't kill anyone even if they stood in it for 20 minutes (back when he could use magic). I would also assume that the GM's actually have evidence and observation, if he got banned and lowered all those times. You should also re-check what PK means. Casting in town on occassion I won't dispute, but I believe that was a matter for the IG authorities.

[Konstantin K]

That was not inappropriate, it was my humble expression of my thoughts which could be summed up to:

I told you so.

Aren't you the guy who got fired from a GM position for messing with the source code?

[Keikan Hiru]

Somehow I have the feeling martin and cassandra would be happy if I had enough knowledge in even understanding the source code (either client or server).
I am just learning to understand the basic scripts, which is nothing compared to the server code, I fear.
Maybe I can contribute some functional ones in several weeks.

But, Konstantin, please go on.
Please, make my day.

You still hold a high entertaining value for me.
Especialy your bolt claims of having "copies" of your character.
Very amusing.

P.S.:
Belive it or not, I totaly forgot about our 3 skill reductions by me.
I just remembered that I once deleted your skills because I caught you afk training.

[Aegohl]

Let's leave him alone for now. He knows what he has to do to fix his punishment. I want this to be fair. If staff members enflame him he has another excuse, and that's not what we need.

[Estralis Seborian]

Agreed. Since the original question was answered and I sense tendecies towards flaming...