Items without visible quality-determinator

[Mr. Cromwell]

I'm just lost with this.

When you have an item, the description usually goes liket his.
Quality-Condition-Itemname
Good used longsword

Recently I have aquired some items where the first description is completely missing.
Empty-Condition-Itemname
Brand new longsword

Is this intentional, if so - Why? I first assumed that this simply ment that the item was of "average" quality, but found it unlikely as some similiar items are described as "Average-X-X" and others simply as "Nothing-X-X". Is there any way of knowing the actual quality of the item? How will these react when the "reparing" of items is introduced?

[Retlak]

if it has no description, its garrenteed to be average, if it has the description "average" , then thats your char not knowing what it really is.

[Mr. Cromwell]

Oh, nice.
Thanks a lot.

[Gro'bul]

if it has no description, its garrenteed to be average, if it has the description "average" , then thats your char not knowing what it really is.

This is wrong. Some people still don't understand that your character can't accurately asses a items quality without being good at that craft. For rings you need to be a good goldsmith, iron items a good blacksmith, wooden items a good carpenter, and so on. No "quality" description denotes the "normal" quality. you have (at least on smithed items): awful, very bad, bad, average, normal, good, quite good, very good, excellent

As Tommy boy would say "Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will."

[Retlak]

Why would someone mark a turd "Guaranteed"..

Or even take a dump in a box..

[Wyrda]

Gro'bul said:
This is wrong. Some people still don't understand that your character can't accurately asses a items quality without being good at that craft.

But when you get an item that you can't determine, if you make something and can't determine what it is, would that mean someone else who is good at that will be able to see it as it really is? So they will see something different then you?

[Nitram]

I fear you are wrong Gro'bul.

If you don't see the quality your character think its average.

The effect of the skill of the craft, the item is made with, is that you get a wrong quality or condition.

So your items is maybe good and new, but your character thinks its very good and brand new. So you see "very good, brand new sword of pwnage"

Nitram

[Ku 'Agor]

Cant we just go back to infa-last all-average weapons like in the good old days?

[Llama]

WHY do we need such a system?

Seriously...

So people have a chance to cheat on you?

[Hermie]

Realism, not reality, I guess.

Still it does make a game more complicated, lol.

[Wyrda]

i had at first a scraped emerald ring and then after a few more levels in goldsmithing it now shows as an awful scraped emerald ring.

[Wyrda]

okay last night me and 3 others were looking at items and we all saw them differently, some saw good, some average and some bad. Now my question is, is the effect of the item based on what you see or what most others see? if you see bad and everyone else sees good will it effect you like a good item would or like a bad item would?

[Ganon Harper]

perception perhaps?

[Skaalib Drurr]

It would act as what it really is. From what the general impression seems to be, the higher your skill, the more accurate your inspections are.

[Poots]

I have a question

let's say a ring for example is average, and you suck at goldsmithing and your blind or something. Would it appear to you to be really good or really bad? or is it random?

[Nitram]

Random