Art of Justice

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:03 pm

Member's of Illarion,
A new guild arises, called the Art of Justice (AoJ). The purpose of this guild is for the recruiting and training of lawyers. A seperate bulletin (Website)) Will soon be posted. If you wish to join, post here or look at the website. Are lawyers will be up for hire when we have enough of them.
You may also send me a dove.

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:14 pm

And you have the training to do such a thing Deies? What a range of expertise you seem to have, but I would rather defend myself in a court than have someone who will not know all the facts.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:16 pm

I would like to think of my self as some what skilled in the court of law. Yet, if you do not want ot hire any of us, you don't have to. The training is quite hard, although the first few lessons are and introductry to the art. Then we move on to roleplaying and combining the skills and such. As for the facts, that is what and investigation is for. All you have is an explanation, especially since you are not trying ot be punished the person may lie. Once the bulletin is up the Code of Conduct states that if a lawyer has any doubts of the "fact" he shall not present it.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:18 pm

You can have all the lawyers money can buy, the only thing that matters is if the "judges" like you or not.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:19 pm

That is not true justices. Freedom shall not be a biased desicion. Also, this is not a post nearly for the discussion but for any aspiring lawyers who wish to join.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:21 pm

Tell them that.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:24 pm

Just because you do not think the court was right, does not mean it was biased. That is an opinion, not a fact.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 11:39 pm

The Art of Justice Bulletin is now posted ((http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/eldermoore_family/AoJ.htm))
Don't be shy, come and join the AoJ.
We can be hired by either the defendant or plaintiff ((you are correct))

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 11:49 pm

I believe the term is plaintiff.

Signs with flourish

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 12:04 am

Paul manages to smirk besides his headache and writes devilishly

Can I become a lawyer?

Your friend,
~Paul Laffing~

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 12:57 am

You may Paul, meet me whenever you want to start the lessons.((only if your serious))

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:34 am

New trainees:
Lori
Eraldur

Undecided:
Fooser
Trager

Once I have about 3 or 4 lawyers trained, hiring shall begin.

Elraldur Vaoric · Post by **Elraldur Vaoric** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:47 am

I would like to be a part of this.

~ Elraldur Vaoric ~

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:27 pm

Thank Elraldur, send me a dove when you wish to begin your training.
The bulletin has been updated

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:43 pm

Your strange litle project is doomed to failure, Deies.

If I may quote you:

Section 1

All investigation must be valid. To be valid a trustworthy witness must agree with your story, when asked upon spontaneously. A trustworthy witness is someone who has a good reputation.

And yet, you are thinking about training known and repeating offenders as lawyers?

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:54 pm

Mishrack, there past references has nothing to do with it.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:09 pm

((Brendan remembers the Graveyard scene of Hamlet and laughs))

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:19 pm

Give him a chance, let him show us what he's capable of. The last thing we need is people putting a new guild down before it even starts.

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:24 pm

It's not lawyers people need to buy, it's judges. Don't believe me? Ask certain Lyrenzia council members.

Algoran.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:31 pm

Haha, that was funny

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:39 pm

Instead of feeding it, why not put a stop to it. If you believe it is corrupt why would you want to make it more corrupt.

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:53 pm

Pretend you have a voice if you like, but many of us know better. Your witnesses are only as good as Lyrenzia say they are. You have twenty witnesses to say you didn't do something and they are ignored. A friend of lyrenzia says you did do it and it's jail or death for you. You should of stopped Lyrenzia when they first came. Too late now.

Algoran.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:10 pm

Death? Hooray, for that ingorant and false statement.

Albernon · Post by **Albernon** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:25 pm

Algoran wrote:Pretend you have a voice if you like, but many of us know better. Your witnesses are only as good as Lyrenzia say they are. You have twenty witnesses to say you didn't do something and they are ignored. A friend of lyrenzia says you did do it and it's jail or death for you. You should of stopped Lyrenzia when they first came. Too late now.

Algoran.

20 to 1 eh? I wonder if you have any proof of such a case out of any of the 40 or so trials so far. I challenge you to find a case of even only 5 to 1, in which the court's verdict involved the disbelief of the actual physical events that occured as told by the testimonies of 5 WITNESSES where relevant to the guilt of the defendant, even though it is already laughable enough that you would argue about "twenty witnesses say you didn't do something" in when the onus in court is to prove guilt, not prove innocence.

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:39 pm

You are right of course. I bow before the mighty defenders of the glorious Lyrenzia. Your messengers have been to see me and I understand.

Algoran.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 10:09 pm

The training teaches more then stating facts, but I can not tell my techinques. Being a laqyer is more then just stating what anyone else can.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 11:11 pm

Final Roster:
Elraldur Vaoric
Lori
Seth Valor

I will still except one more person more the undecicded list for now. Once I get it started up, a few more may join.

Willem Time · Post by **Willem Time** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 12:07 am

Is there a price.....

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:50 am

A price to Join? No
A price to Hire? Yes

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 8:47 am

Ah... yet another known criminal joins your ranks... and you still want to be taken seriously?

Laughable.