Everything about Illarion that fits nowhere else. / Alles über Illarion was inhaltlich in kein anderes Board passt.
It's not about linguistic fairness between variations of OK versus Okay. I'm talking about letter abbreviations versus words. OK can be considered a word, but it is also a letter abbreviation because each of the 2 letters actually stands for something and it's even pronounced as 2 seperate letters. Okay, on the other hand, is just a word and not a letter abbreviation because each of the 4 letters don't stand for something and it is pronounced only as an entire word, not as individual letters. I think most readers would consider letter abbreviations worse than words in most fantasy literature or in-game text, at least in my book. I guess the problem with letter abbreviations is just more of an issue about poor writing style, and not so much about whether any particular one belongs to a time or place.The Returner wrote:By which source? According to every possible etymologist whose even spoken on the subject, O.K, Okay, and Ok are accepted variations and there is not one considered more formal. If you allow Okay, you have to allow every other spelling of the word, period, otherwise its not fair in a lingual sense. Unless you can provide me something written by a reputeable source, like, websters, harvard, oxford et al that says specifically "Okay" is the only word spelling that should be accepted as a formal word over every other spelling of the word.
Does this go both ways? Aren't there also possibly people IG trying to learn English as well? I only ask because I have many friends who speak English as a second (or third or fourth) language and it is easier for them to learn to use it properly if I use it properly and consistently (this is a very difficult habit for me to break). I do understand that IG most believe it should be used as it was in old England or whatever. Why can't we use proper English (or at least better English) to help those that are wanting or trying to learn to use it properly? I don't know German. Are the German speaking users doing so in a dialect simalar to old world? And if so, how did this affect your ability to learn it Returner?The Returner wrote:When I first came to this game, I made an effort to learn German. Not only did I overcome the language barrier, and make some friends, but I also LEARNED something, which helped me both inside and outside of the game. If people would make an effort when someone speaks another language, or uses old english, middle english, or shakespearian english, whatever, they might actually LEARN something.
Mercenaries armored harness shoulder buckle fastening?Damien wrote:Söldnerharnischschulterpanzerbefestigungsschnalle.
It didn't. I made the effort to learn it. Many other people made the effort to learn. Some germans would speak in antiquated German, but I can't recall any old germanic languages EVER being used in illarion. As a general whole though, the Germans seem to be heads and shoulders above most english players in terms of roleplay lingual "Properness".Uhuru wrote: Does this go both ways? Aren't there also possibly people IG trying to learn English as well? I only ask because I have many friends who speak English as a second (or third or fourth) language and it is easier for them to learn to use it properly if I use it properly and consistently (this is a very difficult habit for me to break). I do understand that IG most believe it should be used as it was in old England or whatever. Why can't we use proper English (or at least better English) to help those that are wanting or trying to learn to use it properly? I don't know German. Are the German speaking users doing so in a dialect simalar to old world? And if so, how did this affect your ability to learn it Returner?
I for one don't like the use of the old world dialect. Is it really necessary? I can hardly understand many players. It's a huge struggle even after many months. I don't adapt it to my game style because I don't like it. I don't understand it. You all will probably beat me up for this as well. Tell me to leave the game. Whatever. It's just one aspect of a complex game. Why is it so freaking important to you? It distracts me from what is going on because I have to read what is written three and four times to interpret what is being said. It takes me forever. I don't know if anyone else has this issue, probably I'll be the only one to own up to it. Go ahead, beat me up for it. It is what it is. It interferes with my ability to interact and RP. I don't know how many times I've seen the word ooman and how long it took me to figure out that it meant human. (At least, I hope I'm right about that.)
Ego sum rumex vos per perturbo ut interpretas dae. Utique vos habere perfectus quispiam utilis.Me wrote:
Forbid some of the newer, younger crowd be exposed to a period game where they have to argue with an 11th century greek in old english about how much a saddle costs, that might take effort!
Its too bad few games exist that teach these kids anything anymore. But thats a subject for another thread.
Wir sind nicht alle gleich und die kontrol sind die charaktere, die wir schaffen. (I probably butchered that...)All right, this is important to some of you. I don't get why. Please understand why some of us (or at least me) are not as excited about it as you are. Use some patience and understanding. Perhaps we could come to a mutual understanding or agreement. Maybe meet in the middle?