thieving

Jori · Post by **Jori** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:45 pm

somewhere I heard that thieving skills like pickpocketing or others would be implemented. Is this true? And if so, are they implemented yet?

Post by **Nitram** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:03 am

Poots · Post by **Poots** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:10 am

for now, just rp it.

Jori · Post by **Jori** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:18 am

oh well... Maybe someday. Guess I'll jsut need to rp it like poots said.

Poots · Post by **Poots** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:34 am

personally, I think that there should never be a skill, which is what I think is going to happen. rping makes it so much funner, plus there would be a great boost of thieves if it was a skill, I mean who wouldn't want to be a master thief?

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:38 am

it shouldnt ever be a skill. It should be pure rp, and if people dont even try to rp it with you (like they just ignore your rp of it, not that they say they spot you) you report them. I myself rp with my thief, and most people cooperate with it.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:21 am

I agree it shouldn't be made a skill. Because then we'll get some of the hardcore Powergamers on this thing becoming experts in pickpocketing, although they play as knights who act like they're neutral and uncaring, but defend the town at every cost.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:28 am

Agreed.

Dont forget asking for friendly duels constantly, with allies and enemies alike, and pretending it isnt for skill or showing off.

Karguk Inkathurg · Post by **Karguk Inkathurg** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:37 am

Yeah i think it's best for roleplay. Like the other day i was robbed (RP) and then me and Retlak chased him down and Roleplayed beating him. I think it shouldn't be a skill to because then you would lose all your money in one quick swipe. Oh yeah and nice Roleplay Furacur ( The guy that rped stealing)

Miklorius · Post by **Miklorius** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:45 pm

Making stealing just a normal skill would indeed hit the balance of the game. If all members in a robbery make good RP (Furacur!) it is okay, although I would never give a very good item as stolen away...

Maybe there could be a skill to see the content of a character's belt? Or just implement some die-rolling-feature... ("#roll") to support RPing with a bit of rules.

Thief looks at a character's belt and sees the items.
He OOCed that he wanna steal item X.
Both characters could use "roll" now... if the thief has a higher result, the item should given to him.

Durgin · Post by **Durgin** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:49 pm

umm no....Rp all the way...I hope to meet a thief yet. Odd how being an rp theif actuall has a strange sense of resect about it isn't it?

Caeldrian · Post by **Caeldrian** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:52 pm

A thief skill would eventually be incredibly annoying. All thieves need is good rp (from both players involved), not skills.

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:18 pm

Ill say this, if thieving is ever made a skill, im quitting illarion....

Japheth · Post by **Japheth** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:38 pm

You'd better start packing your bags then, Ules. A thieving skillset is currently on the list of things to get done. If I'm correct, a functional thieving skill was in place before, but was withdrawn to work out some bugs.

So long.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:02 am

LoL, ouch..

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:29 am

Well, geuss my days are numbered. i was serious. Thieving shouldnt be a skill, its just stupid. This game's becoming less and less rp. First languages went to skill, now this....

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:31 am

Not really, if we see it the other way, when its only RP, you will never steal anything precious. Example, youre the guy getting stolen, will you ever give the robber 10 silvers? No, you will give him something like a gem, or some coppers, most peoples gives stuff on theses sort of RP, but they chose what they give. A thieving system "could" be implemented, but it would need to be very very good, or else we better keep RPing it. Like that we cant steal very heavy things like armors and hammers, and that if we fail then it writes something like "xxxxx tryied to rob yyyyyy and failed, something similar. But just putting up a thieving thing in the game, that with it we can steal anything and powergame the skill, it woulnt be any good, just my advice.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:47 am

You won't get anything anyway, its absurd to let them steal anything equipped, and how many people keep valuables in their sack? Well, if its implemented maybe you'll get lucky and pickpocket a gm, otherwise potions and food will probobly be it, maybe a key. I'm sort of divided on it.

Belgram · Post by **Belgram** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:05 am

What would happen if you picked a Gm? I've seen screens from GMS and they mostly have them cemented things in their bags or picklocks, both very power items.

Japheth · Post by **Japheth** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:24 am

You wouldn't be able to pickpocket a GM. Before you were even beside the GM, they'd be on the other side of the island.

Durgin · Post by **Durgin** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:25 am

looks like my chars will stop carrying anything of value.

Atleast if someone were to rp I would probably give them some money or an item, but skill set comes and they won't get anything from me.

Jori · Post by **Jori** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:39 am

Well, think about it. In medieval times thieves were quite common (I myself have a common thief somewhere far down my family tree). People wouldnt carry valuables around with them because of fear of theft. Besides a thieving skill would be VERY hard to get good at because if you arent good at it then you will be caught often which results in someone attacking you or calling guards. Then you die or are sent to jail and if you die your skill goes down so it is hard to even get the skilll up at all.

Durgin · Post by **Durgin** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:47 am

yea except one big difference...in midevil times if you were caught and killed....you died.....no more practicing to be a thief.

Avareniah · Post by **Avareniah** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:48 am

Or they cut off your hand.

OMG! Can we have skill for someone to cut off a thief's hand??

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:49 am

Avareniah wrote:Or they cut off your hand.

OMG! Can we have skill for someone to cut off a thief's hand??

And a theifs hand item to put in a bag when theyre done.

Avareniah · Post by **Avareniah** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:50 am

Fooser wrote:
Avareniah wrote:Or they cut off your hand.

OMG! Can we have skill for someone to cut off a thief's hand??
And a theifs hand item to put in a bag when theyre done.

YESH! And after a certain time, you will be able to make it into an amulet. With a crazy failure rate. >.>

Durgin · Post by **Durgin** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:50 am

lol Go Avareniah!! I want to be a master hand remover. All you need is a dull knife and a tolerance for blood. Good thing Dwarves have a high constitution.

Jori · Post by **Jori** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:52 am

SO if its the killing option instead is there a thief killing skill and dead thief body item?

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:07 am

Don't forget the 'steal thief corpse' skill. And the 'thief corpse storage' skill. And the 'thief corpse compost heap-making skill'.

Poots · Post by **Poots** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:23 am

not all peeps give out crap for thieves, sometimes, if you rp well enough, they can make it worth your while.

you also have to think how rich the person is. a total noob isn't going to give you 5 silvers for robbing him.